1911 help needed.

[Black Majik]

He's referring to Colt's 1930s Swartz design. Colt gave up back then because in those days it was impossible to mass produce the components to a close enough tolerances to make it work reliably. Stacking tolerances could be a bear back then. These days mass production to tight tolerances is child's play.

Thanks for the clarification, I misread that.

[sholling]

Honestly, I've never taken apart a kimber. I just read that in their manual, forgot if its hold the grip safety or pull the trigger or something. The swartz was originally considered by Colt by never used. Anyways, the thing is a freaking pain either way, like I said, you have to drift the rear sight out. I just don't want it in my gun. I've never even considered buying a Kimber for that reason. Why when you can buy a Springfield for the same price.

Personally I wouldn't even consider a full sized Kimber Series II and only bought my Compact because it's the only game in town. But comparing a Springer and a Smith is a whole different world. I love my Springer but on average the made is the USA S&W comes with a much better trigger, better fit and finish, and better out of the box accuracy. And it's made in the USA. You really have to put a bit of money into an imported and assembled in the USA Springer to reach the same level of refinement as an out of the box Smith. That said the SA is a better base for a project and I'm agnostic between the two for a self defense pistol - that would be a tough choice. For out of the box target shooting I'll take the S&W hands down. I'm talking the sub $1k production units and not either company's factory customs.

[squatting_caveboy]

SA TRP.....wowza sweet and you can find one used for about $1k

[sholling]

I really like the Gunsite Edition. This is the one I wish we had access to. It's Smith's version of the CCO. It looks to me like the CCO format is making a comeback.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=11101&langId=-1&productId=86955&tabselected=tech&isFirearm=Y&parent_category_rn=15709