10 - Juggernaut Tactical JT-9 SSG-SG CA Ok

[S.A.]

JT-9 SSP-SG
10 models added


Manufacturer:
Juggernaut Tactical
Model:
JT-9 SSP-SG
Handgun Type:
Pistol
Caliber:
9mm
Barrel Length:
8.5"
Materials:
Steel; Aluminum
Expired Date:
01/01/2024

[Zenderfall]

Bolt-action, mag-locked AR-9 pistols?

[ASD1]

Bolt-action, mag-locked AR-9 pistols?

yes

same pistol that is already on roster just different colors

[enorbit3]

How do they do the bolt action? Aren't most 9mm ARs blowback?

[ar15barrels]

How do they do the bolt action?

A standard AR bolt carrier group and charging handle is bolt action if you don't put in a gas system.
The bolt rotates when you pull back on the charging handle.
That's how JT and FA do their rostered bolt action 5.56's.

You could probably do this with a 9mm RDB barrel and just use a standard bolt so it won't hit the RDB camming surfaces and cycle.

Aren't most 9mm ARs blowback?

Yes.

[XL650]

It doesn’t have to have a “fin” on the pistol grip? Does that have a locked magazine?

[ar15barrels]

It doesn?t have to have a ?fin? on the pistol grip? Does that have a locked magazine?

Magazine is fixed.

There are no "featureless" semi-auto AR, Mp5 or AK type pistols because a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip is a feature that you can't get rid of.
Therefore, any semi-auto AR/Mp5/AK type pistols you can transfer today through an FFL will be fixed magazine.

[morrcarr67]

Magazine is fixed.

There are no "featureless" semi-auto AR, Mp5 or AK type pistols because a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip is a feature that you can't get rid of.
Therefore, any semi-auto AR/Mp5/AK type pistols you can transfer today through an FFL will be fixed magazine.

I thought they are bolt action pistols. Aren't the rules applying to them different than those applying to semi-autos? ��

[ar15barrels]

I thought they are bolt action pistols. Aren't the rules applying to them different than those applying to semi-autos? ��

I believe they have a 0 round mag fixed into them to make them a single shot.

From the manufacturer's website we find this:

The Hellfighter rear pin assembly is complemented by the Internal Magazine lock, making this the best option for your CA compliant 9MM AR pistol

If they rostered it as a single shot pistol (SSP in their model name), then it can not have a magazine that holds ANY rounds because if the magazine held even 1 round and then you hand feed a cartridge into the chamber, it would be a 2 round semi-auto pistol and clearly not a single shot pistol.
That's not to say that the owner won't install a magazine into it and run it as a fixed magazine semi-auto.

[morrcarr67]

I believe they have a 0 round mag fixed into them to make them a single shot.

From the manufacturer's website we find this:



If they rostered it as a single shot pistol (SSP in their model name), then it can not have a magazine that holds ANY rounds because if the magazine held even 1 round and then you hand feed a cartridge into the chamber, it would be a 2 round semi-auto pistol and clearly not a single shot pistol.
That's not to say that the owner won't install a magazine into it and run it as a fixed magazine semi-auto.

That's just silly. Why would they list it as a single shot when they could list it as a bolt action repeater.

[ar15barrels]

Why would they list it as a single shot when they could list it as a bolt action repeater.

Because they already make a fixed mag solution but they don't have a way to make a blowback parts NOT cycle in semi-auto.

If you assembled a blowback 9mm AR pistol with a magazine that held more than 0 rounds, it would run in semi-auto.
There's no easy way to make a blowback bolt NOT blow back when you fire the cartridge in the chamber.

With a locked breech setup like a 5.56 uses, all you do is omit the gas port and gas system and the standard bolt carrier will NOT cycle when you fire the cartridge in the chamber.
This lack of function from being fired is what makes it POSSIBLE for the gun to be rostered as a non-semiautomatic bolt action repeater instead of only as a single shot.

[morrcarr67]

Because they already make a fixed mag solution but they don't have a way to make a blowback parts NOT cycle in semi-auto.

If you assembled a blowback 9mm AR pistol with a magazine that held more than 0 rounds, it would run in semi-auto.
There's no easy way to make a blowback bolt NOT blow back when you fire the cartridge in the chamber.

With a locked breech setup like a 5.56 uses, all you do is omit the gas port and gas system and the standard bolt carrier will NOT cycle when you fire the cartridge in the chamber.
This lack of function from being fired is what makes it POSSIBLE for the gun to be rostered as a non-semiautomatic bolt action repeater instead of only as a single shot.

I know that. I completely missed that this was a 9mm. I was thinking it was another 5.56 pistol. Carry on.

[cosmonaut]

I don't think we will get straight answers from JT due to liability concerns but a logical design would be adding a fixed feed ramp into the upper so that it can only feed from the ejection port. This makes the mag well completely irreverent. This probably means the BCG has some modifications as well.

By changing the upper to a standard semi-auto design, the SSP becomes a semi auto with mag lock. My speculation is from 2 facts:

1) JT went thru the trouble to add their CA compliant mag lock on the lower.
2) JT sells a standard 9mm complete upper that has identical specs. I am assuming the differences are no built in feed ramp and includes a standard BCG.

Is all of the stuff above legal? That's beyond my knowledge to even speculate.

[Quiet]

That's just silly. Why would they list it as a single shot when they could list it as a bolt action repeater.

AFAIK...

They got their 9mm AR pistol listed on-Roster as a non-semiautomatic single-shot pistol.
Because their 9mm AR is blowback operated, it does not qualify as a bolt-action or a break-open, but with a zero round fixed magazine/block it would be considered a non-semiautomatic single-shot and since it is not a SSE2, the can never have been semi-auto requirement for SSE2 does not apply to it.

They go their 5.5mm AR pistol listed on-Roster as a bolt-action repeating pistol with a fixed 10 round magazine.

[LEAD LAUNCHER]

Internals pic from Riflegear:



One in stock in fountain Valley at time of my posting:

https://www.riflegear.com/p-21389-juggernaut-tactical-jt-9-ssp-9mm-85-straight-pull-bolt-action-pistol-black.aspx

All I care about(obviously) is.......Will it take Glock mags?


.. EDIT: Oh, and if the answer to that question is Yes-When does the 10mm version get approved? I'm in on one of those.....

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