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  • #16
    Nick3
    Member
    • Aug 2021
    • 135

    Originally posted by Dan_Eastvale
    If I had an ALL steel gun with the guide rod or trigger being the only plastic part, it would bother me

    But not in a plastic gun with necessary steel parts and a spec'd in polymer guide rod
    My CZ SP-01 is all steel with a plastic guide rod, it's fine

    I'd think a steel guide rod that wasn't originally engineered into the gun would cause unnecessary wear and tear on the slide and recoil spring

    But practically, make no difference other than added weight

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    • #17
      Zenderfall
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2017
      • 600

      I have a pure tungsten rod in my G34 Gen 3. Got it because Lenny McGill is a very good salesman and he made it seem as if that is the greatest and bestest upgrade to any Glock, besides any other products his site sells. He almost guarantees it. He really is the Billy Mays of Glock Pistols!

      Did it improve muzzle flip? Not really, not that I can tell. Did it improve accuracy? nope. Did it lower my times in competition? nothing noticeable. Can it even be seen from the outside? no. Does it work as reliably as the stock guide rod? Yes, thankfully.

      Just about the only things it did for me was make the front end of the gun a little heavier and my wallet a little lighter.

      Would I recommend this to others? No, not at all, especially at the price its going for. A small device such as a pure tungsten guide rod is not going to turn a Glock in to a high-end race pistol.
      Last edited by Zenderfall; 04-05-2023, 2:11 PM.
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      • #18
        Marktallica
        Member
        • Feb 2014
        • 369

        Metal guide rods

        Originally posted by TrailerparkTrash
        ^^^This.

        If my stock Glock guide rods were to fail, I have factory spares on hand and each one cost around $16.00. I too have shot thousands of rounds and some guns tens of thousands of rounds. I?ve yet to have a factory guide rod break. But I do replace them at around the 6,000 round mark as ?preventative maintenance.?

        My ONLY exception?. My Glock 20 gen3. For that gun, I replaced the guide rod with a stainless steel one, in order to customize and swap out variable weight springs for various custom loads.

        Same exact situation for me. My G20 gen 3 has a tungsten rod and heavier spring for bear loads. Never had a problem with any Glock polymer rods, including in my two G26s. However, if I were going to replace the rod and spring, I wouldnt go more than an 18 lb. spring. The stock 26 spring is 16 lbs. If you get too far away from that, it will probably have trouble feeding normal rounds. If you shoot 9mm +p or +p+, buy an 18 and a 20 lb spring and see which one feeds best.
        Last edited by Marktallica; 04-05-2023, 2:31 PM.
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        • #19
          hermosabeach
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2009
          • 19849

          I'm wondering how the OP shoots

          If a range toy, I would get a lead or brass weight for the rail

          More mass and cheaper.

          No aftermarket parts for reliability issues.
          Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

          Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

          Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

          Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
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          • #20
            naz
            Veteran Member
            • Jun 2020
            • 3108

            Originally posted by Marktallica
            Same exact situation for me. My G20 gen 3 has a tungsten rod and heavier spring for bear loads. Never had a problem with any Glock polymer rods, including in my two G26s. However, if I were going to replace the rod and spring, I wouldnt go more than an 18 lb. spring. The stock 26 spring is 16 lbs. If you get too far away from that, it will probably have trouble feeding normal rounds. If you shoot 9mm +p or +p+, buy an 18 and a 20 lb spring and see which one feeds best.
            I too have a tungsten guide rod in my g20 but looking back, putting grip tape on the frame made more of a difference in recoil control

            If I could go back in time and give my past self advice I would have bought a “capt of crush” grip training tool instead of tungsten guide rod for g20

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            • #21
              Angrysnarf
              Veteran Member
              • Oct 2015
              • 2860

              Seems like all people get these for are recoil reduction.

              I just got spare factory ones.

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              • #22
                rodralig
                CGN Contributor
                • Apr 2016
                • 4262

                I just got spare factory ones.
                Smart!!!


                Originally posted by Angrysnarf
                Seems like all people get these for are recoil reduction.
                Recoil reduction? For a 9mm?

                Everybody fell for the Glockstore guy??


                For other calibers, yeah, this is the best answer -

                Originally posted by naz
                If I could go back in time and give my past self advice I would have bought a ?capt of crush? grip training tool instead of tungsten guide rod for g20

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                • #23
                  Turbinator
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                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 11980

                  I vote factory recoil guide rod. Cost effective to replace, plentiful in the market, and 100% reliability.

                  Turby

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                  • #24
                    k1dude
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • May 2009
                    • 16004

                    Originally posted by Zenderfall
                    I have a pure tungsten rod in my G34 Gen 3. Got it because Lenny McGill is a very good salesman and he made it seem as if that is the greatest and bestest upgrade to any Glock, besides any other products his site sells. He almost guarantees it. He really is the Billy Mays of Glock Pistols!

                    Did it improve muzzle flip? Not really, not that I can tell. Did it improve accuracy? nope. Did it lower my times in competition? nothing noticeable. Can it even be seen from the outside? no. Does it work as reliably as the stock guide rod? Yes, thankfully.

                    Just about the only things it did for me was make the front end of the gun a little heavier and my wallet a little lighter.

                    Would I recommend this to others? No, not at all, especially at the price its going for. A small device such as a pure tungsten guide rod is not going to turn a Glock in to a high-end race pistol.
                    On my competition guns, I've experienced the exact opposite. My comp guns shoot far flatter with noticeably less recoil than compared to stock.

                    However, I can't tell you if one specific upgrade did the trick, because I did all the upgrades at once. I installed tungsten guide rods with lighter springs, lighter slides, Timney triggers, and weighted brass mag extensions. Those upgrades transformed my competition Glocks into smooth, flat, and fast shooting wonders compared to stock.
                    Last edited by k1dude; 04-07-2023, 9:20 AM.
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                    • #25
                      deckhandmike
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 8325

                      If you want to add weight to the muzzle add a light. My surefire x300 is much more effective for muzzle flip and actually useful. A trl7 would be nice for a 26.

                      I did add a tungsten rod/heavier spring to my Glock 20, with weighted mag well for better higher grip, not fancy reloads. The rest of my glocks use a normal plastic rod.
                      Last edited by deckhandmike; 04-06-2023, 12:31 PM.

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                      • #26
                        naz
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jun 2020
                        • 3108

                        Originally posted by k1dude
                        On my competition guns, I've experienced the exact opposite. My comp guns shoot far flatter with noticeably less recoil than compared to stock.

                        However, I can't tell you if one specific upgrade did the trick, because I did all the upgrades at once. I installed tungsten guide rods with lighter springs, a Timney trigger, and weighted brass mag extensions. Those upgrades transformed my competition Glocks into smooth, flat, and fast shooting wonders compared to stock.
                        Just wait for the post of rodralig and others to tell you that you should have left it stock and invested in training instead of parts and you wouldn?t need those reliability decreasing add ons to your stock Glock if your fundamentals weren?t weak AF ? obviously you are not putting in enough dry fire work if you haven?t made gm yet with a stock g26

                        Lol lol

                        Jokes aside, I noticed a difference in how the Glock recoiled when it hit the 40oz mark? so frame weight, tungsten guide rod, grip weight, heavy mag week and brass base pads

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                        • #27
                          bruss01
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                          • Feb 2006
                          • 5336

                          Originally posted by TAS
                          I?ve never had a NEED to replace them but I did replace a few with stainless guide rods because the thought of a plastic one bothered me at the time. I have Glocks with and without and never had a problem with either one. I also haven?t noticed any difference in performance though I could see a heavier one might help with recoil for some.
                          Same here, only in my case with CZ's... do the plastic ones work? Apparently so. Do they satisfy my engineer's desire to see things done "right" instead of cheap? Hell no.

                          I replaced them all with stainless steel. One of those things that would have bugged me until I either took care of it or sold the guns. Irrational? Maybe. Satisfying? For me, yes. YMMV.
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                          • #28
                            Jeepergeo
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                            • Feb 2012
                            • 3507

                            Originally posted by Angrysnarf
                            For Glocks

                            Thinking of getting one but not sure which she showing weight for a Glock 26.
                            Some see their firearm like a box of Tinker Toys.

                            What exactly do you hope to accomplish with the metal guide rod? I mean, you are shooting a Tupperware gun. What's next, a metal frame?

                            Seriously, what's under performing now and how will the metal guide improve it?
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                            • #29
                              bruss01
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 5336

                              Originally posted by Jeepergeo
                              Some see their firearm like a box of Tinker Toys.

                              What exactly do you hope to accomplish with the metal guide rod? I mean, you are shooting a Tupperware gun. What's next, a metal frame?

                              Seriously, what's under performing now and how will the metal guide improve it?
                              Not really a "practical" issue in terms of how it works.

                              More of a mindset/mental thing... like going to a job interview in your best suit & tie... but wearing a ratty old worn out pair of underwear. Is it going to affect the potential employer? It shouldn't, they'll never see the garbage undershorts, unless it's a job interview unlike any I've never had. But will it affect you, knowing you look great on the outside but like a hobo under a layer or two of clothes? Maybe, depending on the type of person you are. Some folks, it doesn't matter how "right" something seems to others, if it feels wrong to them... and the fact that it bugs them, does actually matter on some level.

                              Why do people customize their cars? Is it to make them run better? Not usually... just because they like the car better that way.
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                              • #30
                                Carcassonne
                                Veteran Member
                                • Jul 2012
                                • 4897

                                The ONLY reason to use a metal guide rod is so you can change spring power. That is ONLY for target or competition. There is absolutely no reason to use a non stock recoil spring assembly in a Glock or most other modern guns for self defence.
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