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  • #31
    SPROCKET
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    • Mar 2008
    • 490

    .44 special... 'cause they only use the metric system in countries that don't let you own guns.

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    • #32
      supermario
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      • Nov 2008
      • 4569

      Originally posted by ZRT650
      If you look at the pic sideways, its looks like something else

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      • #33
        Pistolwhipped
        Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 374

        LOL!

        Originally posted by supermario
        If you look at the pic sideways, its looks like something else
        "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
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        • #34
          sd_shooter
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Dec 2008
          • 13782

          Just read this report at the mother lode:
          (ie. where the nuke pic was stolen from)



          Properly designed hollow-point ammunition - regardless of caliber - all perform very close to each other when you take expanded diameter and penetration depth into account.
          Last edited by sd_shooter; 06-25-2009, 10:42 PM.

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          • #35
            Napalm Bulldog
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            • Jun 2009
            • 4266

            9MM Stats according to GLOCKWORLD.COM
            1100fps
            336ft/lbs


            357SIG
            1350fps
            502ft/lbs

            40S&W
            1200fps
            496 t/lbs

            10MM
            1290fps
            649ft/lbs

            45ACP
            900fps
            412ft/lbs

            45GAP
            950fps
            401ft/lbs

            .22LR
            1,260ftp
            134ft/lbs

            22 Conv. Kit
            Last edited by Napalm Bulldog; 06-25-2009, 11:12 PM.

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            • #36
              wildhawker
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              • Nov 2008
              • 14150

              Originally posted by vf111
              Dude- your avatar looks just like someone that works for me except my employee is...............hotter.

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              • #37
                Napalm Bulldog
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                • Jun 2009
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                There has been a documented case in Texas where a police officer's .45 round did not penetrate a tractor-trailer's shell, but a .357 SIG round from a backup officer's gun did, killing the suspect inside. The round's ability to penetrate barriers is the main reason for its adoption by law enforcement agencies.Plus body armor doesnt stop it.
                Last edited by Napalm Bulldog; 06-26-2009, 12:59 AM.

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                • #38
                  B Strong
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                  • Feb 2009
                  • 6367

                  Originally posted by M198
                  Performance wise 45acp < 10mm < .44 mag. 9mm is good for volume, not much more. .44 mag only comes in revolvers and is a novelty round. If you are looking for a good HD gun, stick with 40, 45, or even 10mm if you are afraid a pack of linebackers might attack you.
                  LOL!

                  I use self loaders for defensive carry, but I wouldn't feel naked with a model 29 and three speed loaders.
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                  • #39
                    CD MCKINNEY
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 101

                    10MM is the one
                    Double Tap 200 gr. XTP/JHP [1290/705]
                    PM10-S.jpg

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                    • #40
                      JTROKS
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                      • Nov 2007
                      • 13093

                      Originally posted by abulldog4me
                      There has been a documented case in Texas where a police officer's .45 round did not penetrate a tractor-trailer's shell, but a .357 SIG round from a backup officer's gun did, killing the suspect inside. The round's ability to penetrate barriers is the main reason for its adoption by law enforcement agencies.Plus body armor doesnt stop it.
                      357 Sig has a little more power than the 38 Super +p and if you look really close to 357 magnum ballistics fired from a 4" or less barrel they are very close to 357 Sig. The 357 magnum shines when heavy bullets are used in which there are none commercially available for the 357 Sig. Having 10 rounds of 357 Magnum plus a quick reload is something else, but the 10mm has it beat paper ballistic wise.
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                      In the eye of the storm
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                      Just beware of the thorns...
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                      • #41
                        SCMA-1
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                        • Mar 2009
                        • 4287

                        Originally posted by THT
                        And here's the caliber comparison pic that the OP requested:



                        From left to right: .50 BMG, 20 ga. 2.75", 7.62mm NATO, 5.56mm NATO, .50 AE, .45 ACP, .40 S&W, .357 Magnum, .38 Special, 9mm Luger, .32 ACP and .22 LR

                        *edit: crud, noticed it doesn't have .44mag or 10mm...
                        More caliber comparison (left to right): 30mm, 25mm, 20mm, .50 BMG, .375 H&H Magnum, 30-06, .308 Win, .223 Rem.

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                        • #42
                          vf111
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                          Glock 20 + 15 rounds Double Tap ammo = enough tears in Space Time Continuum to make William Shatner not a caricature of himself.

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                          • #43
                            nrakid88
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                            • Jul 2008
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                            Originally posted by ZRT650
                            This is cool but the original it came from doesn't even have a 10mm shown. The entire 10mm part was photoshoped. It would be interesting to actually see a full power 10mm load tested in ballistic gelatin next to other loads like 9mm and 45 acp.
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                            5.56 vs. 308? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=267737
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                            • #44
                              socomIInato
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                              • Mar 2008
                              • 880

                              Originally posted by nrakid88
                              This is cool but the original it came from doesn't even have a 10mm shown. The entire 10mm part was photoshoped. It would be interesting to actually see a full power 10mm load tested in ballistic gelatin next to other loads like 9mm and 45 acp.
                              that 10mm is one of those explosive bullets we keep hearing aboutnuclear that is.

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                              • #45
                                NeoWeird
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                                • Dec 2005
                                • 3342

                                What you also have to remember is that the 10mm was initially designed at a specific bullet weight & velocity. It was WAY too powerful for the FBI, who were the original contract holders of handguns first chambered in it, so ammunition manufacturers dumbed it down. It was still too powerful, so S&W shortened the case, essentially making a 10mm short, and the .40S&W was born. 95% of most ammunition loaders still load 10mm at the lower 'FBI' loadings instead of their intended loadings.

                                If properly loaded, the 10mm shoots farther and flatter than the 9mm, has more energy, expansion, and penetration than a .45, and can easily punch through personal ballistic armor. Only problem is that it's VERY possible to shoot through targets and be insanely lethal behind them. Bottom line is Jeff Copper and the others KNEW what they were doing and they created one of the best commercial handgun rounds to date and it's only short comming was that it was TOO powerful. If collateral damage is not a problem, it's arguably the best round around right now, considering options, accessories, platforms, etc.

                                For that reason though, it's intended and especially hot loadings should be avoided for the average person and it shouldn't be used as a home defense round where family members, neighbors, etc could pose a risk for over penetration.
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