Ongoing Auction question - ?

[Rogerbutthead]

Can we discuss ongoing auctions? Did not notice a prohibition of it on the read first thread/forum rules.

I know some sites won't allow it, not sure if this site allows it.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/911632423

Was thinking if what this seller says is true - someone would use the buy it now, just wondering what more knowledgeable people think about it.

Rare WWII 1942 Year Remington Rand Model 1911A1 Military Pistol - SN:920727
Matching Early Type I "NEW YORK" Slide - Must Have

I expect even if it is half true, it is going to go for more than I am willing to shell out for it.

[NorCalRefuge]

The Remington angle might increase value - I have no idea and have never dabbled in historical firearms - but... considering how many millions of 1911's and 1911A1's were issued, the value isn't going to be through the roof like you might think.

[SkyHawk]

It is a little rough, finish wise. Good condition original finish and parts Rem Rands usually go for less than $2k. I don't know, maybe a little more now.

The one at auction is an early model, not sure how much more it is worth but we should know in a day.

I don't think it will get close to the buy it now price. He was probably just hoping someone with crypto-money to burn would pull the trigger at that price.


Here is mine, later model with a Type 2 slide, all original GI duffle bag appropriation, mfg 1945.

[Snoopy47]

My wife and I managed to get to better condition examples from the CMP.

Ours are Colts. At least that's what ours are, as told to us by the CMP, and they were transferred and registered as Colts.

I think mine was $1100, and her's was $1000 plus taxes and fees. I want to recall it was $1200 OTD for mine, and certainly no where near $1500, and that buy now is an idiot price without documented and validated pedigree of who what when where why, and on par with having been at a notable battle.









It looks like the going premium is $500 for those that don't go through the CMP program.

[Librarian]

Can we discuss ongoing auctions? Did not notice a prohibition of it on the read first thread/forum rules.

I know some sites won't allow it, not sure if this site allows it.

The Calguns Marketplace rules:

6) We do not allow for the auctioning off of items in the For Sale forums
Nor do we allow links to auctions and/or sales you may have open at other sites. This forum is for the buying and selling of items within the community of Calguns.net. The only exception is for auctions approved by the Calguns Staff in order for proceeds to benefit this site and/or it's membership. This does not mean that you cannot post an item here for sale that you have listed on an auction site. This merely means that you must create an actual post for the item without the link to the auction site. Mention that the item is up for auction, and that you would be willing to end the auction early if a deal can be struck.

[SkyHawk]

My wife and I managed to get to better condition examples from the CMP.

Ours are Colts. At least that's what ours are, as told to us by the CMP, and they were transferred and registered as Colts.

I think mine was $1100, and her's was $1000 plus taxes and fees. I want to recall

One of your frames is a Remington Rand or Ithaca. Frank J. Atwood never inspected any Colts.

My first guess would be Ithaca - because in 1943 Colt duplicated a range of Ithaca serial numbers. If CMP was going strictly by the serial number, that is where the ID went wrong...

[highpower]

It’s pretty rough for the money, but it does still have it’s original Du-Lite finish. As such, it will always be worth more than one that has been refinished. I personally would rather pay more for one in better condition, but then again I already have a half dozen GI 1911’s (including an original finish Remington-Rand) and am only really interested in acquiring guns from manufacturers that I don’t have.

[Rogerbutthead]

I didn't look at the Cal Marketplace rules as I wasn't selling it. I only looked at the New to Cal Guns threads.

Thank you for the information.

So I can ask about an on going auction if I am not the seller. I have been berated on other forums for asking opinions on open auctions as the old hands don't want new buyers to get informed opinions on items they might want for themselves. Thanks for the help.

[Wheellock]

$5k is a pretty good dream for a Remington Rand 1911 in that shape. The CMP has been auctioning the good ones they have and Union Switch & Signal made 1911A1s (the least common of the production contracts) have been $3-$4k, the other makers for less. Most of those seem to have decent original finish on the slides. Remington Rand was the most prolific maker of 1911A1 pistols.

[hermosabeach]

There are a ton of WW2 guns out there

To me- I'm not a collector.

I want to shoot what I have too


This number is crazy to me
Buy Now Price
$4,950.00

[Snoopy47]

One of your frames is a Remington Rand or Ithaca. Frank J. Atwood never inspected any Colts.

My first guess would be Ithaca - because in 1943 Colt duplicated a range of Ithaca serial numbers. If CMP was going strictly by the serial number, that is where the ID went wrong...

That's cool, I assume it's the one with all the inspection marks in the picture (my Wife's). Where can I find such research I can reference, print off and keep with the gun.

Right now, all I have is what I have from the CMP, and DROS. As far as the CA DOJ is concerned both are Colts. But I can totally understand the CMP using the easy path to document and sell the guns, and not inspect down to the most minute detail for anything but the most pristine examples headed for individual auction.

[SkyHawk]

That's cool, I assume it's the one with all the inspection marks in the picture (my Wife's). Where can I find such research I can reference, print off and keep with the gun.

Right now, all I have is what I have from the CMP, and DROS. As far as the CA DOJ is concerned both are Colts. But I can totally understand the CMP using the easy path to document and sell the guns, and not inspect down to the most minute detail for anything but the most pristine examples headed for individual auction.

Yes, it is the one with the Anniston Army Depot rearsenal marks showing it was rebuilt in 1975.

You can find more info on the details of ID here

http://www.coolgunsite.com/pistols/1911infopage.htm

The prominent 'FJA' mark below the slide lock is the tell that it is not a Colt. The serial number then would tell you if it is Rand or Ithaca.

Really it is surprising that CMP goofed it, it is hardly minutia especially in their line of work dispensing these.

And don't worry about DOJ thinking it is a Colt - there are a ton of "not Colt" 1911s in the system as Colts. It seems whenever someone doesn't know for sure what it is, it gets DROSd as a Colt. That includes a lot of more modern Caspians built with Colt slides.

[SkyHawk]

Looks like we have a bid war in progress. $2800+ now and the clock keeps resetting past the deadline




UPDATE: it finished at $2875

[Rogerbutthead]

....more than double what I was willing to spend.....doubt I will find any deals on the auction site.......too many people with disposable income.

[Snoopy47]

....more than double what I was willing to spend.....doubt I will find any deals on the auction site.......too many people with disposable income.

Don't let it bother you. Someone got raked over the coals.

With the CMP program tens of thousands are entering the market. I just don't see how era GI's are holding pre CMP 1911 issue prices outside of rare examples.