LAPD adopts FN509 as new duty pistol

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LAPD is a lot of things, their procurement department isn't exactly something I'd base my purchases on.

Think someone in Texas or anywhere else really gives a hoot what pistol the LAPD carries since with the next contract it could be something else.

If the pistol was available in California, yeah, I could see some associated buying on the part of the public but who outside of LA specifically or California in general gives a flying whatever?

The pistol they chose was the low bidder. I guess if that is what you want then go get one. What else do you buy that is a low bidder product, maybe your carry ammo? Just saying.

You know so many LEA picked Glock because they were the low bidder? If they do not remain low bidder other LEAs across the country may switch also, especially if the FN509 works out for LAPD.

I do not own a Glock, never have, but have shot them. The low priced firearm I have carried the most is a Charter Arms Bulldog I bought new in 87 or 88. Now it is a Kahr P45, both perfect California hiking/fishing guns. I do have an SD9VE that is kind of a Glock copy, but don't carry it much. The low bidder product for ammo I load/reload myself, lol

[sfvshooter]

All this teeth gnashing & pearl clutching when it won't have any impact on you...unless you prefer to be shot by a Glock rather than an FN.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

At least the quality of mounting an optic out of the box will be above an MOS. Does anyone know what their testing and requirements were?

[Che762x39]

Really has no effect on me. But a lot of noobs will buy them.

[ClayBreaker]

There should be single-action 6-guns available for officers that aren't really proficient with firearms. Stray bullets flying are no bueno.

Hair trigger aren't the best for police work with the adrenaline and what not.

[thethreegs]

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[Robert1234]

You know so many LEA picked Glock because they were the low bidder? If they do not remain low bidder other LEAs across the country may switch also, especially if the FN509 works out for LAPD.

I do not own a Glock, never have, but have shot them. The low priced firearm I have carried the most is a Charter Arms Bulldog I bought new in 87 or 88. Now it is a Kahr P45, both perfect California hiking/fishing guns. I do have an SD9VE that is kind of a Glock copy, but don't carry it much. The low bidder product for ammo I load/reload myself, lol

Everyone here seems to thing "low bidder" means not good. The gun companies bid to a set of specifications the agency dictates. Every gun bid that is accepted for consideration meets the requirements set forth by the agency. If there's a problem with the low bid process, it's the fault of the agency writing the scope of work in the request for proposals (RFP).

Low bid means that the bid is the least expensive that meets the requirements set forth in the RFP by the purchasing agency. It's exactly what they're looking for, a gun that does everything they want it to, at the lowest price. You all as taxpayers should appreciate the sprit of the process, if not how it's been bastardized by agencies who set forth ridiculous requirements so they can get expensive toys that in all likelihood are not actually required by the end users.

Don't get me wrong, some agency or law enforcement specific requirements are actually very good, the overbuilt Crown Victoria suspension (I'm assuming the new Explorers cops drive have the same features), but any agency writing their RFP to get themselves 1911s is a joke. If an agency wants .45ACP, a S&W M&P or Glock 21 do the same thing, and hold a bunch more rounds in the magazine. Using the process for vanity purchases should piss all of us taxpayers off.

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Everyone here seems to thing "low bidder" means not good. The gun companies bid to a set of specifications the agency dictates. Every gun bid that is accepted for consideration meets the requirements set forth by the agency. If there's a problem with the low bid process, it's the fault of the agency writing the scope of work in the request for proposals (RFP).

Low bid means that the bid is the least expensive that meets the requirements set forth in the RFP by the purchasing agency. It's exactly what they're looking for, a gun that does everything they want it to, at the lowest price. You all as taxpayers should appreciate the sprit of the process, if not how it's been bastardized by agencies who set forth ridiculous requirements so they can get expensive toys that in all likelihood are not actually required by the end users.

Don't get me wrong, some agency or law enforcement specific requirements are actually very good, the overbuilt Crown Victoria suspension (I'm assuming the new Explorers cops drive have the same features), but any agency writing their RFP to get themselves 1911s is a joke. If an agency wants .45ACP, a S&W M&P or Glock 21 do the same thing, and hold a bunch more rounds in the magazine. Using the process for vanity purchases should piss all of us taxpayers off.

I just think it is funny how Glock people use the low bidder argument when making fun of "Perfection" as in now there is a new Perfection, lol.

All the LEO I know that carry 1911s own their gun I think, because they aren't all carrying the same brand. Was talking to a Deputy that was telling me what they had to carry and I pointed out a couple of Deputies that carry 1911s, he said they were high enough up they could carry what they wanted.

[Robert1234]

I just think it is funny how Glock people use the low bidder argument when making fun of "Perfection" as in now there is a new Perfection, lol.

All the LEO I know that carry 1911s own their gun I think, because they aren't all carrying the same brand. Was talking to a Deputy that was telling me what they had to carry and I pointed out a couple of Deputies that carry 1911s, he said they were high enough up they could carry what they wanted.

If they're carrying a gun they paid for, I don't care what they carry.

It's when agencies use taxpayer money to buy toys they don't actually need, and aren't actually the best tool for the job.

I like 1911s as much as the next guy, but if I'm paid to carry a gun, and size/concealability isn't something I need to worry about, as long as it's a handgun that fits in a holster, I'm getting a boomstick with more rounds. Also something the rest of my colleagues are carrying, just in case I get into a tight spot and need to borrow ammo.

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If they're carrying a gun they paid for, I don't care what they carry.

It's when agencies use taxpayer money to buy toys they don't actually need, and aren't actually the best tool for the job.

I like 1911s as much as the next guy, but if I'm paid to carry a gun, and size/concealability isn't something I need to worry about, as long as it's a handgun that fits in a holster, I'm getting a boomstick with more rounds. Also something the rest of my colleagues are carrying, just in case I get into a tight spot and need to borrow ammo.

It's not our job to decide what is best tool for the job, that is the Sheriff's or Police Chief's job and guns aren't toys, but it is not the 1911 that LAPD got they got exactly what you want the best tool for the job because it meets the requirements at lowest cost.

[hammy5150]

All this talk about Glocks and i just want to know what happened to the M&Ps? I thought LAPD had switched to those pretty recently, were they having issues with those?

[Robert1234]

It's not our job to decide what is best tool for the job, that is the Sheriff's or Police Chief's job and guns aren't toys, but it is not the 1911 that LAPD got they got exactly what you want the best tool for the job because it meets the requirements at lowest cost.

Yeah, ok. They don't need any oversight and should never be questioned on their decisions, they should be allowed to do what they want with our money and not have to answer any questions on it.

You cops are pretty funny.

[OCEquestrian]

All this talk about Glocks and i just want to know what happened to the M&Ps? I thought LAPD had switched to those pretty recently, were they having issues with those?

The Los Angeles Sheriffs Department was/is switching over to the M&P.

[BAJ475]

The Los Angeles Sheriffs Department was/is switching over to the M&P.

IIRC the CHP switched to M&P 2.0s a couple of years back.

[theduracellbigd]

I think most new polymer guns owe some homage to Glock, however that does not mean they cannot be as good or better. That being said I bought a Glock 17 back in 1996 and a model 22 in 2001. I am old enough to remember all cops using revolvers long ago. My first handgun was a revolver and I bought Glocks for more capacity/firepower, lighter weight and simplicity for an automatic(no manual safety). I found out it was easier to shot accurately/quickly than my revolver and very reliable. Never saw the need to get another automatic. The training and proficiency of the operator is more important than the firearm chosen.