LAPD adopts FN509 as new duty pistol

[SharedShots]

If they wanted to save money, they'd be buying Hi Points... lol

Except the decision was made to buy new guns so then yes, they chose low to save money.

LE Agencies are no different than other parts of government when it comes to spending money, there are justifications to maintain positions, increase inventories, all the palm rubbing and back scratching to consider.

Can you imagine the catalyst for all this? A few people in a room or sitting somewhere and one says "how about we get new guns?

Everyone claps and says "hell yes, why not?" except one guy who said "there is nothing wrong with the ones we have..." - well he isn't part of the clique anymore and was sent back to the jails to watch the trash pickup details.

[Kestryll]

You're not very good at this debate thing you know.

Neither are you, although the snarky comments have earned my attention...

[master lee]

LAPD has not issued the Glock since around 2014. Since then they have been issuing M&P 9mm to new recruits. Glocks, along with a wide variety of other firearms, are still an authorized and approved handgun for duty. It'll be interesting to see how long they stick with the FNs before they go looking for another duty pistol.

[madland]

Neither are you, although the snarky comments have earned my attention...

@TMB 1 and @Robert1234 need to just hug it out..and go get a beer.
Otherwise..I feel a Ban Hammer coming!!

[madland]

And honestly..I don't see how this thread went so far sideways. My niece is still on probation. Carries the MP. Her brother..carries a G19 or G17..can't quite remember. Their other sister also carries the MP. They said if they want to carry the FN it'll run them nearly $1000 out of pocket. Does it really matter to any of us what LAPD is carrying? I've never shot the FN. But I've held one. And although there isn't nearly as much aftermarket stuff for it vs the MP or the Glocks if it weren't off roster I'm sure I'd own one. It felt really good in my hands.

[Peahi2]

Except the decision was made to buy new guns so then yes, they chose low to save money.

LE Agencies are no different than other parts of government when it comes to spending money, there are justifications to maintain positions, increase inventories, all the palm rubbing and back scratching to consider.

Can you imagine the catalyst for all this? A few people in a room or sitting somewhere and one says "how about we get new guns?

Everyone claps and says "hell yes, why not?" except one guy who said "there is nothing wrong with the ones we have..." - well he isn't part of the clique anymore and was sent back to the jails to watch the trash pickup details.

Another part of the finance discussion is the "use it or lose it" part of budgeting. At some point dollars were obviously planned for this big project, and the budget was assigned to someone to manage. As a manager, one reluctantly "gives up" your budget dollars. Only a true team player would give up some dollars and take one for the team. Most of the management types derive their power/ego/self esteem from the size of the budgets, and they ain't giving up or saving a dime.

[GlockN'Roll]

Another part of the finance discussion is the "use it or lose it" part of budgeting.
At some point dollars were obviously planned for this big project, and the budget was assigned to someone to manage.
As a manager, one reluctantly "gives up" your budget dollars.
Only a true team player would give up some dollars and take one for the team.
Most of the management types derive their power/ego/self esteem from the size of the budgets, and they ain't giving up or saving a dime.

I saw this all of the time.

Departments made sure that they spent every single penny, every fiscal year,

lest they risk having their budgets reduced the following year...

[L-2]

My comments are mainly a reiteration of what was already said, maybe some folks missed them or didn't quite understand:

-Los Angeles P.D. is big (~9000 sworn). It has to plan & budget for a continuous stream of new hires needing an issued handgun.

-LAPD doesn't replace every handgun when a new handgun is chosen. Typically, the new recruits get the new handguns. If an older officer needs a new handgun for some reason (loss, damage, wear, or age), then that veteran officer may get the latest version, if the older versions are no longer available or that officer is offered a newer version.

-LAPD is looking toward the future with this FN selection. Of course there's some risk to a brand & model not previously used (by them), but FN's optical mounting method/system seems to be a big plus compared to what else is currently available.

-Where I worked in LE (only ~500 sworn), the handguns were generally all the same (Glock 17 Gen4 when I retired), but if a brand new gun was issued at the beginning due to a selection change, that handgun model would be kept for 10 to 15 years until a new brand/model was chosen. After that, a study & selection would be made again. LAPD doesn't replace every officer's handgun after selection. Also, LAPD does allow personally-owned handguns from an approved list should an officer prefer something different from what was issued.

-Most handgun contracts will have a minimum quantity with options to buy more for a certain timeframe. This can be considered good for an LE dept. to allow for technical improvements and to not be stuck with old designs. As people may know, Glock is discontinuing its .40 gen4 and 9mm gen4 versions, but will support an LE agency if that agency insists on those models. In this case LAPD must have decided not to stay or go back with the older versions. By now, LAPD had already chosen the S&W M&P line and wanted the best choice which allowed mounting optics (for potential/probable future issuance).

[Kerplow]

You are equating perfection with low bidder?

Government purchases = low bidder unless it's a toilet for the Space Station or security for legislators.

Wait, so gun manufacturers don’t get in on the no-bid contracts? What a gyp!

Do they need optical mounting provisions for the new shoot in the leg policy?

[SVT-40]

Just for the record, I liked the S&W M39 better than the M59..

Our agency issued the M59, but I bought my own M39.

[forklift232]

Sep 2, 2021- Inside look: Why the LAPD chose the FN 509 MRD LE as its new duty weapon- FN’s 509 MRD-LE went head-to-head against several competitors in a 20,000 round endurance test

During this portion, the LAPD looked for pistols that performed reliably with few to no malfunctions. Though Sgt. De Bella could not release the makes and models of the six other guns tested alongside the FN 509, he did offer that the FN experienced zero malfunctions.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I am disappointed that they chose a Belgish gun. I would have preferred something born and bread in the USA, like a Walter PVP or a C/Z P-TEN.

Always buy American!

[k1dude]

I am disappointed that they chose a Belgish gun. I would have preferred something born and bread in the USA, like a Walter PVP or a C/Z P-TEN.

Always buy American!

LAPD brass are a bunch of American hating leftists. So it's no surprise. I'm surprised they didn't choose something from China, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, or Cuba.

[TOMBSTONE]

Southern Ohio Gun usually buys up all the Law enforcement trade-ins , they are out-of-business as of July 2021.

[oddjob]

Friend of mine bought a new Chevy crew cab, 4X4...... "Made in Mexico" was on the bottom near the rocker panel.

Didn't FN get the US military contract for the M-16/M-4/240B/M249, series too? Its a global economy!