C&R and single actions still exempt?

[Mike Armstrong]

I keep coming across ads for handguns on the internet that state that the gun they are trying to sell is not transferable to CA because "it's not on the roster."

But the handgun they are advertising is either a single action revolver or clearly older than 50 years (Yeah, I always look such things up....).

Did the law change while I was sick recently (GET your shingles vaccinations!) so that these reasonable exemptions from a very unreasonable law have been dropped?

I see this occasionally in local ads (like a well-known OC pawn shop). Has the law changed or are these guys just too lazy to do their homework (or maybe CA haters who don't mind assisting our local gun grabbers)?

Need to know!

[plumbum]

Yes, C&R and single-action revolvers (and single shot handguns meeting certain dimensional requirements) are roster exempt. Talk to the receiving FFL first, just to be sure they’re comfortable with it. Some out of state people just simply don’t want to deal with CA insanity.

[SkyHawk]

Single actions have to be dimensionally compliant, so very small single actions are not roster exempt.

C&R is exempt but you have to be able to show it is 50+ yrs old and that is not always possible. And some models of guns were made over the span of 30-40+ years so some samples may be C&R and some not.

[Mike Armstrong]

Thanks--what I thought I knew!

I go by serial numbers if I can for C&R. On some cheaper (but still VERY good) older guns that are pre-68, there never was a serial, so I have to go by recognized reference books, or old factory catalogs. If I can't find a printed, reliable reference that shows the handgun is C&R, I let it be--don't buy it.

My unfavorite aspect of the Roster Monster is the one that Skyhawk mentions last.

Is a Ruger DA revolver manufactured in January of 1971 somehow less dangerous than one manufactured in December of 1970?

I suspect that I will die before some of my favorites are 50 years old....I'm waiting on a Colt Diamondback right now. Only two more years to go!

[morrcarr67]

Single actions have to be dimensionally compliant, so very small single actions are not roster exempt.

C&R is exempt but you have to be able to show it is 50+ yrs old and that is not always possible. And some models of guns were made over the span of 30-40+ years so some samples may be C&R and some not.

OR are listed in the "brown book" as not all C&R handguns are older than 50 years old. The 3 that come to mind right away are the CZ-82, Walther P-1 and the Colt Woodsman/Targetman/Huntsman. Both the CZ and the Walther were made into the Eighties and the Colt was made to 1974 or 76.

Edit:

It looks like the Woodsman series was made til 1977

https://www.atf.gov/file/128116/download

https://www.atf.gov/file/2026/download

[morrcarr67]

I suspect that I will die before some of my favorites are 50 years old....I'm waiting on a Colt Diamondback right now. Only two more years to go!

Stop waiting.

Some Diamondbacks are already C&R. They started production in 1966. In 1971 they started with serial number D45551, so come the end of the year any serial number below that will be a C&R gun.

And if you really want one you can get one with a 4" or larger barrel converted to Single Action Only and it would be roster exempt as well.

[SkyHawk]

OR are listed in the "brown book" as not all C&R handguns are older than 50 years old. The 3 that come to mind right away are the CZ-82, Walther P-1 and the Colt Woodsman/Targetman/Huntsman. Both the CZ and the Walther were made into the Eighties and the Colt was made to 1974 or 76.

https://www.atf.gov/file/128116/download

https://www.atf.gov/file/2026/download

Yes, never forget the book. I have a few youngsters from the book, off the top of my head a Walther P1 and Polish P64

[Oldmandan]