Self made 1911

[Hog Hunter]

That's how government works - they decide, they make regulation, they make the rules and if you don't like what they are doing the only option is to go to court. ..

[Hog Hunter]

I have to ask did you not do any of this research before beginning the building process? The micro stamping restriction has been around for a long time.

Of course and it contradicts this new sheet from the DOJ.

[Hog Hunter]

I have to ask did you not do any of this research before beginning the building process? The micro stamping restriction has been around for a long time.

21982 was amended by SB1100, neither mention micro stamping.

29182.
(a) (1) The Department of Justice shall accept applications from, and shall grant applications in the form of serial numbers pursuant to Section 23910 to, persons who wish to manufacture or assemble firearms pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 29180.

(2) The Department of Justice shall accept applications from, and shall grant applications in the form of serial numbers pursuant to Section 23910 to, persons who wish to own a firearm described in subdivision (c) of Section 29180.

(b) An application made pursuant to subdivision (a) shall only be granted by the department if the applicant does all of the following:

(1) For each transaction, completes a firearms eligibility check pursuant to Section 28220 demonstrating that the applicant is not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm.

(2) (A) Presents proof of age and identity as specified in Section 16400. Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the applicant shall be 21 years of age or older to obtain a unique serial number or mark of identification for a firearm.

(B) The department shall grant an application to an applicant who is at least 18 years of age, but less than 21 years of age, for a serial number for a firearm that is not a handgun, if that application is made before February 1, 2019.

(3) Provides a description of the firearm that he or she owns or intends to manufacture or assemble, in a manner prescribed by the department.

(4) Has a valid firearm safety certificate or handgun safety certificate.

(c) The department shall inform applicants who are denied an application of the reasons for the denial in writing.

(d) All applications shall be granted or denied within 15 calendar days of the receipt of the application by the department.

(e) (1) This chapter does not authorize a person to manufacture, assemble, or possess a weapon prohibited under Section 16590, an assault weapon as defined in Section 30510 or 30515, a machinegun as defined in Section 16880, a .50 BMG rifle as defined in Section 30530, or a destructive device as defined in Section 16460.

(2) This chapter does not authorize a person, on or after July 1, 2018, to manufacture or assemble an unsafe handgun, as defined in Section 31910.

(f) The department shall adopt regulations to administer this chapter.

(Amended by Stats. 2018, Ch. 894, Sec. 2.5. (SB 1100) Effective January 1, 2019.)

SB 1100, Portantino. Firearms: transfers.
Existing law prohibits the sale or transfer of a handgun, except as specifically exempted, to any person under 21 years of age. Existing law also prohibits the sale or transfer of a firearm, other than a handgun, except as specifically exempted, to any person under 18 years of age. A violation of this prohibition by the dealer is a crime.
This bill would prohibit the sale or transfer of any firearm by a licensed dealer, except as specifically exempted, to any person under 21 years of age.
Existing law requires a person who wishes to manufacture or assemble a firearm to first apply to the Department of Justice for a unique serial number or other identifying mark. Existing law requires an applicant to be at least 18 years of age for a firearm that is not a handgun, and at least 21 years of age for a firearm that is a handgun. A violation of the application requirement is a crime.
This bill would instead require an applicant to be at least 21 years of age for any firearm, except that applications would be granted for an applicant who is at least 18 years of age but less than 21 years of age for a firearm that is not a handgun if the application is made before February 1, 2019. The bill would make additional technical, nonsubstantive changes.
This bill would incorporate additional changes to Section 29182 of the Penal Code proposed by SB 746 to be operative only if this bill and SB 746 are enacted and this bill is enacted last.
By expanding the scope of existing crimes, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.
DIGEST KEY
Vote: majority Appropriation: no Fiscal Committee: yes Local Program: yes
BILL TEXT
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Section 27510 of the Penal Code is amended to read:
27510. (a) A person licensed under Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, shall not sell, supply, deliver, or give possession or control of a firearm to any person under 21 years of age.
(b) (1) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect the sale, supplying, delivery, or giving possession or control of a firearm that is not a handgun to a person 18 years of age or older who possesses a valid, unexpired hunting license issued by the Department of Fish and Wildlife.
(2) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect the sale, supplying, delivery, or giving possession or control of a firearm that is not a handgun to any of the following persons who are 18 years of age or older:
(A) An active peace officer, as described in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of his or her employment.
(B) An active federal officer or law enforcement agent who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of his or her employment.
(C) A reserve peace officer, as defined in Section 832.6, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of his or her employment as a reserve peace officer.
(D) A person who provides proper identification of his or her active membership in the United States Armed Forces, the National Guard, the Air National Guard, or active reserve components of the United States. For purposes of this subparagraph, proper identification includes an Armed Forces Identification Card or other written documentation certifying that the individual is an active member.
(E) A person who provides proper identification that he or she is an honorably discharged member of the United States Armed Forces, the National Guard, the Air National Guard, or the active reserve components of the United States. For purposes of this subparagraph, proper identification includes an Armed Forces Identification Card or other written documentation certifying that the individual is an honorably discharged member.
SEC. 2. Section 29182 of the Penal Code is amended to read:
29182. (a) (1) The Department of Justice shall accept applications from, and shall grant applications in the form of serial numbers pursuant to Section 23910 to, persons who wish to manufacture or assemble firearms pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 29180.
(2) The Department of Justice shall accept applications from, and shall grant applications in the form of serial numbers pursuant to Section 23910 to, persons who wish to own a firearm described in subdivision (c) of Section 29180.
(b) An application made pursuant to subdivision (a) shall only be granted by the department if the applicant does all of the following:
(1) For each transaction, completes a personal firearms eligibility check demonstrating that the applicant is not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm.
(2) (A) Presents proof of age and identity as specified in Section 16400. Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the applicant shall be 21 years of age or older to obtain a unique serial number or mark of identification for a firearm.
(B) The department shall grant an application to an applicant who is at least 18 years of age, but less than 21 years of age, for a serial number for a firearm that is not a handgun, if that application is made before February 1, 2019.
(3) Provides a description of the firearm that he or she owns or intends to manufacture or assemble, in a manner prescribed by the department.
(4) Has a valid firearm safety certificate or handgun safety certificate.
(c) The department shall inform applicants who are denied an application of the reasons for the denial in writing.
(d) All applications shall be granted or denied within 15 calendar days of the receipt of the application by the department.
(e) This chapter does not authorize a person to manufacture, assemble, or possess a weapon prohibited under Section 16590, an assault weapon as defined in Section 30510 or 30515, a machinegun as defined in Section 16880, a .50 BMG rifle as defined in Section 30530, or a destructive device as defined in Section 16460.
(f) The department shall adopt regulations to administer this chapter.
SEC. 2.5. Section 29182 of the Penal Code is amended to read:
29182. (a) (1) The Department of Justice shall accept applications from, and shall grant applications in the form of serial numbers pursuant to Section 23910 to, persons who wish to manufacture or assemble firearms pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 29180.
(2) The Department of Justice shall accept applications from, and shall grant applications in the form of serial numbers pursuant to Section 23910 to, persons who wish to own a firearm described in subdivision (c) of Section 29180.
(b) An application made pursuant to subdivision (a) shall only be granted by the department if the applicant does all of the following:
(1) For each transaction, completes a firearms eligibility check pursuant to Section 28220 demonstrating that the applicant is not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm.
(2) (A) Presents proof of age and identity as specified in Section 16400. Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the applicant shall be 21 years of age or older to obtain a unique serial number or mark of identification for a firearm.
(B) The department shall grant an application to an applicant who is at least 18 years of age, but less than 21 years of age, for a serial number for a firearm that is not a handgun, if that application is made before February 1, 2019.
(3) Provides a description of the firearm that he or she owns or intends to manufacture or assemble, in a manner prescribed by the department.
(4) Has a valid firearm safety certificate or handgun safety certificate.
(c) The department shall inform applicants who are denied an application of the reasons for the denial in writing.
(d) All applications shall be granted or denied within 15 calendar days of the receipt of the application by the department.
(e) (1) This chapter does not authorize a person to manufacture, assemble, or possess a weapon prohibited under Section 16590, an assault weapon as defined in Section 30510 or 30515, a machinegun as defined in Section 16880, a .50 BMG rifle as defined in Section 30530, or a destructive device as defined in Section 16460.
(2) This chapter does not authorize a person, on or after July 1, 2018, to manufacture or assemble an unsafe handgun, as defined in Section 31910.
(f) The department shall adopt regulations to administer this chapter.

[Hog Hunter]

here is 23910

23910.
The Department of Justice, upon request, may assign a distinguishing number or mark of identification to any firearm whenever the firearm lacks a manufacturer’s number or other mark of identification. Whenever the manufacturer’s number or other mark of identification or a distinguishing number or mark assigned by the department has been destroyed or obliterated, the Department of Justice, upon request, shall assign a distinguishing number or mark of identification to any firearm in accordance with Section 29182.

(Amended by Stats. 2016, Ch. 60, Sec. 3. (AB 857) Effective January 1, 2017.)

In fact if you go down the line I dont see a micro stamp req for self manufactured firearms unless you intent to sell it.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB857

[jyc]

Sounds like you have standing to sue. Contact Michel & Associates and see what they say. California would be much more bearable if could build "personal use only" 1911s.

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[Hog Hunter]

Sounds like you have standing to sue. Contact Michel & Associates and see what they say. California would be much more bearable if could build "personal use only" 1911s.

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I just want to know how this would apply to someone making a personal use firearm not for sale.

Clearly to me it is not applipicable.

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (07/27/2017)
Make Identifiable Criminal Rounds Obvious Act or the MICRO Act

This bill amends the federal criminal code to require that certain semiautomatic pistols manufactured, imported, or sold by federal firearms licensees be capable of microstamping ammunition. A pistol is capable of microstamping if it can copy certain characters identifying the make, model, and serial number of the firearm onto the cartridge case of the ammunition. This rule only applies to semiautomatic pistols manufactured or imported into the United States after the date of enactment of this bill.

[9Cal_OC]

I cant see how a highly common 1911 would be unsafe.

Hi all,

I recently applied for a serial number for 1911 that I would like to build.

Today I get a notice that it will need a micro stamp mechanism and a chamber flag?"

Is this correct?

Has anyone recently built a 1911 or know if that is correct?

Thanks for your replies,

HH

Welcome to CA

[edgerly779]

I have 6 self registered ars and 1911s before the deadline. It was fun while it lasted. Took a year to get confirmation letters back.

[Hog Hunter]

I have 6 self registered ars and 1911s before the deadline. It was fun while it lasted. Took a year to get confirmation letters back.

Im just trying to find a right that requires a permit, fees or license and I cant. Someone told me that lawyers need licenses, but those are for their profession and qualifications, not the ability to have a fair trial.

Apply permits, fees and licenses to any other right and you know this is illegal and against American rule of law.

This is 100% tyranny by the Ca government..

[heidad01]

Sorry for your disappointment. Most here wished you could make your own 1911, but these days you can not.

However, you can buy a moderately priced 1911 frame or any 1911 and rework, remodel, change caliber, change slides, add what ever, etc.
Almost like making your own short of forging or machining the frame from raw steel. And, much faster and easier too.

Does that work for you?

[plumbum]

Legal spam all you like, you can only manufacture a single-shot firearm (no capability of accepting a magazine) - and you still need to submit everything for approval. You cannot circumvent the roster of safe handguns (be it a 1911 or SIG or an AR). We all wish it weren’t so, but here we are.

[edgerly779]

Let the rabble rouser vent. Maybe it makes him feel better. He is late to the party. I was building these 10 plus years ago. I have all the jigs and armorers tools and they are going to Houston to our property there. Done with this in Ca. Not fun anymore.

[Hog Hunter]

Sorry for your disappointment. Most here wished you could make your own 1911, but these days you can not.

However, you can buy a moderately priced 1911 frame or any 1911 and rework, remodel, change caliber, change slides, add what ever, etc.
Almost like making your own short of forging or machining the frame from raw steel. And, much faster and easier too.

Does that work for you?

No you saying that doesnt make it true. In fact our own AG uses the same tactic of making up things.

Im looking for where this applies to personal use home built firearms and cannot find in in our laws. If you know where it is written that would be great.

How crooked and misleading is our AG? He makes up opinions to read as he likes.

Check this out, why is he still a part of our government after misleading the people in our courts?

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/articles/2020/6/24/did-the-attorney-general-of-california-really-think-he-d-get-away-with-this/?fbclid=IwAR3eCa7-40JdeGwnueD7Gy9SkqtLApphqbKBdk-tDSVxcjnRU0sidsx_R1M

[plumbum]

Im looking for where this applies to personal use home built firearms and cannot find in in our laws. If you know where it is written that would be great.

[DB>]

From your post #18, OP -

(B) The department shall grant an application to an applicant who is at least 18 years of age, but less than 21 years of age, for a serial number for a firearm that is not a handgun, if that application is made before February 1, 2019.

(2) This chapter does not authorize a person, on or after July 1, 2018, to manufacture or assemble an unsafe handgun, as defined in Section 31910.

Sec 31910 (7) (A) Commencing January 1, 2010, for all semiautomatic pistols that are not already listed on the roster pursuant to Section 32015, it is not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched or otherwise imprinted in two or more places on the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and that are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired, provided that the Department of Justice certifies that the technology used to create the imprint is available to more than one manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions.

As Judge Benitez stated, the firearms laws in CA are enough to make an angel swear. You have a spiders web of laws that once fully woven make it hard or impossible to do otherwise "simple" things, to the net effect that in CA, you can't have any fun toys, and if you have to ask whether you can, assume the answer is no....

Microstamping is a proven impossibility (and they cannot "certify" that it isn't, but it's the one impossible to fulfill "gotcha" that they use to keep ALL modern or new firearms out of the hands of "dangerous" citizens), so you're just out of luck. Had SCOTUS heard Pena, this might have at least gotten a hearing (no guarantee of success, though).

While you tried hard to comply with one aspect of the laws, you got bitten by another angle - that's life in CA. Sorry, it sucks.


PS - and you'd probably need an LCI and MD as well....