9mm vs.... **Resolved by article from SCMA-1**

[Mayhem]

9mm. Shot placement is key!
Also the ability to carry more rounds.

???? your capped at 10 that puts 9mm and .40 in the same boat. and 45 as a close second (depending on the gun some forty fives can also hit the 10 round cap).

Me personally spray and pray is not a method I subscribe to. I'd rather go with a 6 rounds in a wheal gun and have the power to stop any thing threating me on the first shot then have 15 17 or 20 rounds and have to give it lead poisoning before it stops.

shot placement is a mute point when it comes to the gun because you can can't outshoot the gun if the gun is of good quality like a Sig H&K Beretta and so on. I've put allot of 9mm and .45 acp shooters to shame with my 40 and 45 when I outshot them. It's not the gun ... its them I was just a better shot. If you can't place shots well then You either suck or you have a major fit issue or you just purchased a really crappy gun. RECOIL DOES NOT EFFECT ACCURACY UNLESS IT HURTS REALLY BAD. I can shoot .500 S&W .460 S&W and .454 Cassul just as well as I can shoot 9mm and .22lr. The only thing recoil effects is recovery time .. ie How long it takes to accurately aim and take another shot after you have already taken a shot.

One of the FBI agents in the Miami shoot out had good shot placement, but the perp still killed him before himself dieing. had he shot the perp on the emergency room table the perp woulda still died. You wouldn't hunt elephant with a .223 don't rely on shot placement alone. Without shot placement the power of cartridge won't matter, even if you hit the bad guy with a .500 but with good shot placement the power of the cartridge will come in to play.

For personal defense.40 is king in auto. You get near 9mm capacity (same cap in calif) with near .45 and 10mm power.

.45 and 10mm are the jack of all trade guns. they do everything well.

For CCW Home defense and Duty carry I prefer my sig p229 (12 rnd) 40S&W I would still perfer it if limited to 10.

For everything else I prefer my sig p220st in .45 specially like when hunting in California.

The only thing I wish I could have in an auto is a sig p220 in 10mm guess I'll have to settle with a kimber.

However when selecting a gun one should go with Fit and Comfort before anything else becuase if you can't hit your target it's not going to matter how potent your round is because you still missed.

[pleeds]

I have both calibers, Glock 19, Glock 26 and a Glock 30sf.I also have plenty of ammo for both calibers. I'm more accurate with the .45 and if I ever have to use in self defense I prefer the heavier/larger bullet of the .45. Reacquiring the target after each shot is no problem with the .45 as the recoil is more of a push-back than a snap-up. I don't mind giving up a few rounds for the knock-down power of the .45. Just my two cents worth.

[Mayhem]

I have both calibers, Glock 19, Glock 26 and a Glock 30sf.I also have plenty of ammo for both calibers. I'm more accurate with the .45 and if I ever have to use in self defense I prefer the heavier/larger bullet of the .45. Reacquiring the target after each shot is no problem with the .45 as the recoil is more of a push-back than a snap-up. I don't mind giving up a few rounds for the knock-down power of the .45. Just my two cents worth.

Exactly!

Me I really don't notice a change in recovery time until I get to a magnum revolver or magnum single shot. and even then its not much until you get to the supermags like the .454 .460 and .500 ... at least to me.

First time I shot the .500 the gun dealer was trying to tell me how powerful the recoil was and how careful i had to be. After about 2 boxes of ammo (20 rnds each and god where they expensive) I told the dealer "Give me a break this is just like the .454." the only thing the supermags do to me is make the web of my hand between the thumb and forefinger a little tender the next day.

[lioneaglegriffin]

the wise survivalist would be prepared and have preban mags and rebuild kits.


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http://www.rapidtrends.com/surving-argentinas-economic-collapse-part-1-3/

read the article

dont have either so im screwed. since i'm personally stuck with 10 rounds i choose .45 it has less reciol than .40 but more power than 9mm

[oghl888]

For what it's worth, the military in most countries don't think 9mm is anemic. The "sharp shooter" in the FBI team in the Miami shooting lost his glasses and can't see well enough.

If you are going to hit a solid block of steel in a car travelling 100 mph, it doesn't matter if you are in a 5 star rated or a 1 star rated vehicle. If you can hit the target efficiently and accurately, it doesn't matter if it's a 9mm or a 45ACP. I would choose a .308 over a 9mm any day, but there is little between the 9mm and the 45ACP.

[cryptkeeper]

I hear this a lot. The 9mm is anemic? Let's go to an outdoor range, walk 15 yards down range and let me put on 9mm round in your chest and then tell me how anemic it feels. I'll even pay for the 9mm. Everyone is reading into the stories of the extraordinary where a guy hopped on meth withstood 15 rounds of 9mm. They fail to take into consideration the fact that hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have been killed just nicely with 9mm. Don't worry about the caliber. Worry about becoming a good shot. Worry about having enough spare ammo. Worry about the fact that if you get taken down, a relative or friend might have to defend you and some of those "better" calibers might be too much for them, especially if they've never shot before. I've never heard anyone complain about the recoil of the 9mm.

[Mayhem]

I hear this a lot. The 9mm is anemic? Let's go to an outdoor range, walk 15 yards down range and let me put on 9mm round in your chest and then tell me how anemic it feels. I'll even pay for the 9mm. Everyone is reading into the stories of the extraordinary where a guy hopped on meth withstood 15 rounds of 9mm. They fail to take into consideration the fact that hundreds of thousands if not millions of people have been killed just nicely with 9mm. Don't worry about the caliber. Worry about becoming a good shot. Worry about having enough spare ammo. Worry about the fact that if you get taken down, a relative or friend might have to defend you and some of those "better" calibers might be too much for them, especially if they've never shot before. I've never heard anyone complain about the recoil of the 9mm.

Killing a perp doesn't do you much good when he dies 3 days later after beating you to death with your own gun then giving it to you as a suppository.

I've carried both the m1911a1 and the m9 in the army I'll take the one with the bigger bullets. THE U.S. Took the 9mm due to nato standards and chose the Beretta for the cost/performance ratio. Allot of units still use .45acp. The US also chose the 5.56mm for the m16 a round most people wouldn't use on a deer and is limited to coyotes or smaller game.

[Rob Roy]

If 9mm were good enough, FBI wouldn't look for a different round.

[jimrod]

The .45 makes a bigger hole than the 9mm - 18% bigger. The Fed HST .45 ACP expands to 1.02" - Now that's a big mutha hole. The .45 bullet is up to 115 gr heavier than a 9 mm - double the weight of a std 9mm 115 gr bullet. You do the math.

[11Z50]

Simple for me. If I can only have 10 rounds, I want the biggest 10 rounds I can get in a carry piece, like the M&P 45. If I happen to be able to use full-caps in the same size weapon, I'll choose the large-capacity 9mm, like my Beretta Vertec.

In a compact, it's 9mm all the way, like my M&P Compact 9. I have a G36, but I prefer the Compact 9.

I see the .40 as a silly millimeter larger than the nine, but not a big-bore like the trusty 45 ACP. The cops can have it.

Currently, I see the 9mm as a much more practical choice than any other caliber for a shooter for many reasons. I advise those who ask for my opinion to buy a 9mm that fits their hand, buy many rounds, and be happy.

[SCMA-1]

"Knockdown Power" myth

For those who continue to perpetuate the "knockdown power" myth, please review this clip:

[SCMA-1]

Gabriel Suarez on caliber selection.....

Here is an exerpt posted in a forum from one of Gabriel Suarez's books. In case you don't know who Gabe Suarez is; google it.

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=240753

There are far too many myths being perpetrated by the "mall ninja" crowd.

SCMA-1

[Nightmare]

Firstoff, define a "tactical" situation, as this term is getting tossed around more often than we see obese people squeezing into spandex these days.
The coveted caliber discussion. It exists everywhere. Even in Africa Hunting, where the .375 cannot possibly kill a elephant as dead as a .460 Weatherby with a correctly placed bullet.
The misnomer about the 9mm being wimpy, lacking stopping power, not being able to kill mosquitoes, giving low income rates, etc., usually comes back from the fact that the military is stuck with FMJ ammunition and that round itself, indeed, does lack stopping power. Modern ammo, like any law abiding citizen can purchase, actually does have stopping power relative to a handgun. Keep in mind gents, it is a handgun. It's a relatively low velocity, low momentum projectile and it's not going to make people do backflips like in the movies and whatnot. Regardless, it's going to hurt and no one like's being shot. Just putting things in perspective.
The .45 is wonderful, as is the 9mm, and one should choose whichever one is comfortable for use. If there's a wife and family involved, take that into consideration as well. Hell, take both in a so called "SHTF" situation.
In regards to a "SHTF" situation...which in my professional opinion won't happen even though there seems to be this mass hysteria that the sky's going to fall, the water's going to dry up and Rosie O'Donnell's going to eat the rest of the food and put all the reserves into a downfall, I would prefer a rifle as said before, most likely a FN-FAL and a handgun as back-up, as said earlier.
By the way, I am not more tactical than thou art, I hate tactical firearms and tactical discussions. That is my disclaimer, just been there and done that

[Rob Roy]

If I were able to have 33 round mags, I would happily go with 9mm without even thinking twice. Being restricted to 10 rounds changes things drastically.

[Mayhem]

If I were able to have 33 round mags, I would happily go with 9mm without even thinking twice. Being restricted to 10 rounds changes things drastically.

I'd rather have a .40 .45 or 10mm with a 33 round mag

Course I would rather have an infantry squad (Ranger) with a full battle load out to personally protect me and do my bidding to.