Glock Talk: Which one and does it convert...

[Gryff]

I just paid $685 and got the new glock 22 rtf and all I can say is Wow!!!! With the .40 you can change it to the 10mm for hunting if you want

I'm not positive, but I don't think that's correct. The 10mm Glocks use the .45-sized frame, so the mags won't fit in the 9/40-sized frame. I'm pretty sure that the RTF/4th Gen frames made no modifications to their size...only texture.

My personal opinion (which is literally worth nothing since I have no law enforcement or combat experience) is that the Glock is probably a slightly better tradeoff: if you're making the effort to use the sights at eye level, it's probably relatively little effort to angle the wrist a little in order to line up the sights, since you're making the effort to line up the sights anyway. On the other hand, the 1911 style grip might be slightly better for followup shots. If I had to choose which gun to shoot without the benefit of lining up the sights, though, I'd choose the Glock.

It does come down personal opinion. Glocks absolutely rock for their fans, and can completely suck for their detractors.

For many, the Glock grip angle does not point naturally. John Browning chose the angle he did for the 1911 because he considered it optimum for instinctively bringing the sights in line with the eye (i.e. pointing naturally). And his theory has been borne out for nearly 100 years with the success of the 1911 as both a fighting gun and as a competition platform.

Even many Glock fans had to train themselves to naturally orient the gun. Once you learn, it is a great weapon. The question is whether you want a gun that you have to re-learn how to shoot. Again, it's worth the effort to many, and not worth the trouble to many others. You just need to figure out which one you are.

[precisionshooter308]

Start with the G17 you can always get a G22 or G23 later. Also Ciener makes a .22 conversion as well, though I like the Advantage Arms better.

[supersonic]

I'm not positive, but I don't think that's correct. The 10mm Glocks use the .45-sized frame, so the mags won't fit in the 9/40-sized frame.

That would be an affirmative! The 10MM generates pressures that are too much for anything but .45ACP platforms. That pretty much goes across the entire spectrum of pistols, too. The only 10MM's, besides Glocks, that you will see are built on steel (not alloy) 1911 & the heavier CZ-type grip frames. The 10MM is at the top end (power-wise) as far as non-gas-operated pistols go. My G-20 shoots TWO 1' FLAMES - from the front and the top of the compensated barrel - when its raw fury is unleashed. As strange as it may seem, it is not only laser-accurate, but the recoil is very mild relative to the energy being released @ the muzzle with full-power loadings. In the semi-auto handgun world, the '10' is King of the Mountain.

[kcbrown]

For many, the Glock grip angle does not point naturally. John Browning chose the angle he did for the 1911 because he considered it optimum for instinctively bringing the sights in line with the eye (i.e. pointing naturally).

Right. That's essentially what I figured. But try pointing it without the benefit of using the sights. The question is how well does the 1911 point under those circumstances?

When you bring the firearm up to eye level, your hand isn't pointing at the target -- it's pointing above the target. The Glock always seems to point where my hand is pointing (so I have to angle it downwards slightly when using it at eye level). I would think that being able to simply point the weapon at the target and hit the target without needing to bring it up to eye level would be a significant advantage under some circumstances. But I have no experience to tell me how much of an advantage (if any) that would be, or how much of an advantage (if any) the Glock's grip angle would give in that scenario over the 1911's.

[Shenaniguns]

9mm Glocks FTW!

[sureshot84]

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[Greg-Dawg]

I just paid $685 and got the new glock 22 rtf and all I can say is Wow!!!! With the .40 you can change it to the 10mm for hunting if you want.....( 4th gen is great.....)

Dang! For $700 you should've gotten the G34/35. Converting a .40S&W Glock to a 10mm caliber is incorrect; .357SIG and 9mm only. The RTF2 is not a 4th generation Glock.

[walter]

Im selling a advantage arms 19-23 kit. It's on gunbroker right now

[APNF128]

Guys there will never be an ending discussion between which caliber is a best 9mm,40cal,or 45acp. One rule of thumb to follow is practice and shoot only one cal you intend to use in self defense. Word of wisdom; Beware of a guy who own and shoot only one gun.

[NotSoFast]

I have the Glock 35, .40 S&W 6" barrel, and love it. I previously had the G17 9mm along with the Advantage Arms .22lr conversion kit. When I bought the G35 I also bought the Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel. The AA conversion kit works on the G35 just fine so I imagine it would work just as well on the G22 as would the Lone Wolf conversion barrel.

So if you're looking for a Glock to shoot .40 S&W, go with the either the G22 or the G35. Since I don't carry, I'm not worried about the length being an issue.

So now I'm using the 9mm up for target practice as well as shooting several mag loads of .40 to keep me in practice with me HD ammo.

[Ifticar]

Im selling a advantage arms 19-23 kit. It's on gunbroker right now

Wow! A 90% markup over retail. I should have ordered 1/2 dozen of them.

[CaptainGlock]

Very Good information man, thank you. Glock is starting to look like a very good buy.

Gryff's opinion of the Glock grip angle is not necessarily shared by all. On the recoil spring assembly thing, all Glocks of the same size use the same RSA.

[CaptainGlock]

Yo,

I'm a 1911, CZ75 kinda guy....but i'm starting to see why everyone loves the Glock....it's a great pistol...

so here's what I want, suggestions greatly appreciated!

I've been reading that .40 is a good cal. for the Glock, but what do you guys think of 9mm?

Also, very importante, which Glocks have good/best .22 conversion kits?

Thanks very much.

I didn't find the .40 to be "a good cal. for the Glock," having owned and sold a G22 and G23. However, the .40 Glocks have plenty of fans.

Choosing a Glock is a no-brainer (at least for me ). Choosing a caliber and model depends on what you want to do with it, how much you shoot, how much you can afford to spend on factory ammo (if you can find any ), whether you reload, your tolerance for recoil, etc.

In the Good Old Days (six or eight months ago), 9mm was the cheapest factory ammo available (in the Good Old Days, factory ammo was available). 9mm is a good choice for gun games (GSSF, IDPA, USPSA Production). Just about the only advantage of a .40 Glock for gun games is that you can use it at Major Power factor in a couple of USPSA divisions, giving you more points for near-misses! High-quality 9mm defensive ammo makes the 9mm a decent candidate for that role. Glocks in 9mm tend to produce less felt recoil than similar-sized Glocks in other calibers when using factory ammo.

While I usually shoot .45 GAP and .45 ACP Glocks more frequently than 9mm, I do reload for the large calibers so the cost is not a big factor. The plain fact is, I do like Glocks in 9mm and I'm thinking about getting a second G34.

What would you be using your Glock for?

[Gryff]

Gryff's opinion of the Glock grip angle is not necessarily shared by all.

Yes, it is. You've just embraced your inner freak.



Like I said, some people love the guns, some don't. If you're one of the people who love the platform, then there is absolutely no reason why you should change that opinion.