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  • OddJack
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    • Mar 2020
    • 172

    Glock 34 Gen 4 and 5 in CA

    Hello there,

    I have been reading around the boards for some time trying to find answers to my questions as I am new to shooting and just starting off with handguns.

    So, what's the deal with Gen 4 and 5 in CA? gov website says not approved. Gunshops in CA have it in stock or let you backorder one.

    Anyone knows if it's legal or not?
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    TheSierraDrifter
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 727

    Unless you are LE or it's a PPT, it is illegal. Or a family gift handled through the correct process *edit

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    • #3
      9Cal_OC
      Calguns Addict
      • Apr 2019
      • 6639

      Not available for non-LEOs or exempted class. Settle for a Gen 3 or buy PPT (at an inflated cost). If you have out-of-state parents or children who’d like to gift you one, that’s fine.
      Freedom isn't free...

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      • #4
        Great Made America
        Member
        • Nov 2017
        • 468

        The Gen 4 and Gen 5 are legal to own in CA, but they are not on the California gun roster. You can purchase one via PPT (private party transfer) as TheSierraDrifter mentioned, though off-roster guns typically go for considerably more money.

        If you have a parent/grandparent/child/grandchild in another state, they can gift one to you via Intra-Familial Transfer. Must be a gift, with no exchange of money, and the transfer is done through a CA FFL.

        Welcome and stay safe!

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        • #5
          OddJack
          Member
          • Mar 2020
          • 172

          Thank you everyone for clearing that out.

          Is there a consensus on whats the best 9mm handgun on the roster? When I say best I mean as compared to Glock 34. A USPSA type.
          Last edited by OddJack; 03-25-2020, 8:02 PM.

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          • #6
            fatass
            Member
            • Nov 2005
            • 101

            haha, no. no consensus =)

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            • #7
              jsigone
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2006
              • 1211

              CZ tac sport but not for carry and def not for defense

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              • #8
                9Cal_OC
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2019
                • 6639

                Originally posted by OddJack
                Thank you everyone for clearing that out.

                Is there a consensus on whats the best 9mm handgun on the roster? When I say best I mean as compared to Glock 34. A USPSA type.
                Freedom isn't free...

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                • #9
                  JacobR
                  Member
                  • Mar 2017
                  • 374

                  Get a gen 3 g34.
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                  • #10
                    LateBraking
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                    • Jan 2013
                    • 1621

                    Originally posted by OddJack
                    Hello there,

                    I have been reading around the boards for some time trying to find answers to my questions as I am new to shooting and just starting off with handguns.

                    So, what's the deal with Gen 4 and 5 in CA? gov website says not approved. Gunshops in CA have it in stock or let you backorder one.

                    Anyone knows if it's legal or not?
                    Gen 4 and 5 Glocks are off-roster. That is our starting point. Now read this regarding the legality half of your question. Some of it near the end isn't applicable because I posted it in another thread, and you haven't recently moved to CA and continued carrying around a Glock without an CCW license, but most of it is useful.

                    Originally posted by LateBraking
                    Let's super simplify this. This does not cover every single conceivable scenario, but I am trying to distill it down for a first timer CA gun buyer in such a way that is easily palpable. Again, statements here are sweeping generalizations that are not 100% accurate but made in such a way as to make it easily understandable.

                    1) If buying a "new" handgun, you can only buy guns that are on Kalifornia's approval list. Basically, this state needs to give its citizens permission to buy a specific handgun before they can buy it. The number of "new" handguns that have been added to the CA permission slip has been "nearly zero" since the year 2013. I'll leave you to do research on this on the side if you're curious. Suffice to say, if the gun was released in the year 2013 or beyond, it is safe to assume Kali has not granted permission for you a normal citizen to purchase it. Link to list/search engine: https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/cert...andguns/search

                    2)(a) There are an exempt class of people in Kalifornia (roster-exempt). The most notable single exempt class is police. Without making it too complicated with departmental differences, etc., just for the sake of your own understanding, police are allowed to purchase handguns without looking to the permission slip website. So, they can buy whatever they want, like those Taurus that you want, even if you can't, as an exempt class of people.

                    2)(b) A police officer is not forced to keep a firearm they don't want forever. Typically, if they've used a firearm on duty for some time, and something new comes out and they want to upgrade, then they are free to sell their exempt purchase to regular citizens, to free up money for their upgrade. That means that if you plan to purchase a firearm that is not on the permission list, your only chance generally (without getting into murky complexities of intra-familiar, gifting from out of state with zero compensation truly and purely intended as a gift, etc.) is to search the secondhand market for a handgun that a police officer is selling.

                    Note: FFL basically means a licensed gun dealer.
                    Note: Off-roster means any handgun that is not on the permission website linked earlier.
                    Note: As roster-exempt individuals know that they are the only source for off-roster handguns for non-exempt individuals, they generally (but not always) are the subject of price gouging. As a rough example, a Gen. 5 Glock 17 with an MSRP of $550 in 49 states will sell for $1000 in California, since it is an off-roster firearm being sold by a roster-exempt individual. A Gen 3 Glock 17, released back in the late 90s, meanwhile, can be purchased new from an FFL for as low as $470, if you go to the right FFL.

                    3)(a) To purchase any handgun in the state of CA new OR used, you must have a firearms safety certificate issued to you by an FFL after you have taken the test at said FFL. You must have a valid CA ID that does not state anywhere on the ID the words "Federal Limits Apply." If your ID does state this, you are subject to additional ID requirements (I won't go into it for now). You must also bring a secondary proof of residency (utility bill, car registration) that has name and address information that matches your ID.

                    3)(b)
                    All firearms transactions in Kalifornia must go through a FFL, new or used. There is an additional tax on top of sales tax collected on all purchases by the state, as well as a transaction fee by the FFL. Typically when buying new the transaction fee is waived or reduced, but the tax cannot be abated. So, whatever price you pay for the firearm + tax, you will also be paying roughly $40 more for a new gun purchase, and roughly $50 more for a used one.

                    Note: Smith and Wesson Shield is on roster. Kahr makes several carry guns, such as the CW9, which is on-roster. These tend to be popular on-roster choices. Or, again, you could turn to the secondhand off-roster marketplace, but you will be paying for it.
                    Note: You cannot open carry in CA. You cannot concealed carry in CA without a CCW license. CCW is very difficult to get in CA, depending on what county you live in. If you live in LA County, it is nigh-on impossible at this time.

                    (3)(c) Once you buy a gun, new or used, at a FFL, you cannot take it home with you right away. You have to pick it up 10 days later, since the Kali insists it needs 10 days to check your background. And then if you don't pick it up within 20 days of your 10 days clearing up, then you have to background check another 10 days again, and pay the $40 or $50 fee again.

                    (4) if you've moved into CA from out of state, you have to register all your firearms with the state within like, 30 or 40 days or something, or you've done did an illegal in Kali.
                    And now, you have a mild to moderate inkling of how to navigate this state's retarded laws.
                    Last edited by LateBraking; 03-25-2020, 8:24 PM.
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                    • #11
                      rodralig
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 4262

                      Originally posted by OddJack
                      Thank you everyone for clearing that out.

                      Is there a consensus on whats the best 9mm handgun on the roster? When I say best I mean as compared to Glock 34. A USPSA type.
                      Originally posted by fatass
                      haha, no. no consensus =)
                      Yup! No consensus. Although there are some preferences (see my attached pic).


                      Originally posted by 9Cal_OC
                      You’ve open Pandora’s box on that loaded question
                      Hahaha!!!



                      That said, @OP - you are new to handguns, what is your use case for getting a Glock 34? Going to get into competition?






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                      Last edited by rodralig; 03-25-2020, 10:39 PM.

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                      • #12
                        norcalAF
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 1653

                        The long slide Glocks are great. One thing to consider, if you go with a G35 over a G34, you can get a couple of conversion barrels and a 9mm full-size Glock mag to have 3 calibers in one gun. Between .40 and .357 Sig the only thing you change is the barrel. 9mm is barrel and mag. Just be careful, Glocks have a bad habit of multiplying.

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                        • #13
                          jsigone
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 1211

                          I don't think conversion barrels are allowed for production USPSA

                          but the g35 with some hotrods parts would make for a good starter Limited gun, get your toes wet. Than again so would a SAO CZ 40 in limited with some CGW goodies/or tac sport 40 if you really want to game it.

                          Or just get whatever gun you want and use it in the class it falls into. Not sure how competitive you really want/plan to be. Don't worry it won't be your only pistol.......and don't be scared to try other brands and designs.

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                          • #14
                            TomReloaded
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2013
                            • 1637

                            Gen 2 to 5 glocks are all the same. Yes they have a slightly different blahblahblah. Try them, they're VERY similar to the point of basically being the same gun.

                            I very very strongly preferred my CZ to any glock ive owned or shot. However being real, it doesnt shoot "better" than a glock. Its just different. If you're competing, you'll do as well as you'll do probably regardless of what you're shooting.

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                            • #15
                              rodralig
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Apr 2016
                              • 4262

                              Originally posted by jsigone
                              I don't think conversion barrels are allowed for production USPSA
                              For 2020, they have modified the rules in section 21.3 by taking out the "BARRELS: Current rules remain in effect - you may replace the barrel with an OEM or aftermarket barrel which is of the same length, contour and caliber as the original barrel for that model of gun."

                              But I leave it to a diligent RSO to comment...


                              Or just get whatever gun you want and use it in the class it falls into. Not sure how competitive you really want/plan to be. Don't worry it won't be your only pistol.......and don't be scared to try other brands and designs.
                              Maybe take classes and training first? A match is not the place to learn how to draw from a holster, reload in place and/or moving, shooting while moving without violating the 180, malfunction clearing, etc.

                              Getting into IDPA or USPSA - Am I Ready? The Basics of getting into competition shooting



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                              Last edited by rodralig; 03-25-2020, 10:55 PM.

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