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[morrcarr67]

Does anyone know if the Charter Arms revolvers can be converted to Single Action have the double action feature removed?

[GunDog]

I suppose that technically they can be converted to single action but, why would you want to? Many of the Charter Arms revolvers are on the list and approved for sale in California.

[SnWnMe]

Does anyone know if the Charter Arms revolvers can be converted to Single Action?

Unless you buy their DAO models, most Charters can be used single action!

[IVC]

It's a strange question - I am not aware of any revolver with exposed hammer that is DA-only out of factory, so all of those revolvers are SA (SA/DA). Revolvers with bobbed hammers for competition and those with internal hammers are DA-only and cannot be used in SA mode because there is no mechanical way to cock the hammer.

My guess is that you're asking about SAO conversion (single action ONLY), which would be used to get an off-roster revolver (?)

[plumbum]

Barrels are often too short for SAO conversion/exemption, but yes you probably could remove the ... part thingy... for SAO. Doesn’t look easy and it’s just a small pin so I’d suggest someone with a steady hand and some know how do it.

[morrcarr67]

I suppose that technically they can be converted to single action but, why would you want to? Many of the Charter Arms revolvers are on the list and approved for sale in California.

But not all are.

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[morrcarr67]

Unless you buy their DAO models, most Charters can be used single action!

I don't want to "use" one in single action. I want one that is single action.

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[morrcarr67]

It's a strange question - I am not aware of any revolver with exposed hammer that is DA-only out of factory, so all of those revolvers are SA (SA/DA). Revolvers with bobbed hammers for competition and those with internal hammers are DA-only and cannot be used in SA mode because there is no mechanical way to cock the hammer.

My guess is that you're asking about SAO conversion (single action ONLY), which would be used to get an off-roster revolver (?)

Yeah, I forgot the "only". But is it really necessary to say if you know how revolvers and our laws work?

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[morrcarr67]

Often isn't always.

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[dfletcher]

Does anyone know if the Charter Arms revolvers can be converted to Single Action have the double action feature removed?

Easy.

Remove the grips, remove the coiled mainspring in usual fashion.

Remove the hammer ONLY by unscrewing the hammer pivoting screw.

Remove the DA sear.

Reverse the above steps 1 & 2.

Hint on making remounting hammer easier -pull the trigger about 1/4 draw to ensure the SA sear rides ABOVE the SA sear notch on the hammer. Note: It took a lot longer for me to type that "hint" and made it sound much more complicated than it is to actually perform the move.

Having a solid frame (no sideplate) makes the Charter seem more difficult to do a SA conversion on than Smith, Colt or Ruger. It's actually much easier - you don't even need to remove the hammer or even the cylinder to do it.

[morrcarr67]

Easy.



Remove the grips, remove the coiled mainspring in usual fashion.



Remove the hammer ONLY by unscrewing the hammer pivoting screw.



Remove the DA sear.



Reverse the above steps 1 & 2.



Hint on making remounting hammer easier -pull the trigger about 1/4 draw to ensure the SA sear rides ABOVE the SA sear notch on the hammer. Note: It took a lot longer for me to type that "hint" and made it sound much more complicated than it is to actually perform the move.



Having a solid frame (no sideplate) makes the Charter seem more difficult to do a SA conversion on than Smith, Colt or Ruger. It's actually much easier - you don't even need to remove the hammer or even the cylinder to do it.

Cool. Thank you for your help.

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[dfletcher]

I suppose that technically they can be converted to single action but, why would you want to? Many of the Charter Arms revolvers are on the list and approved for sale in California.

The ones I wanted - a 3" Bulldog in 44 Special and 3" Undercover of "old style" are not on roster.

I look around a lot in NorCal and two guns I've never seen for sale in a bout 25 years are the old skinny barreled Bulldog and a S&W Model 58. Managed to get both of those in and at "non-CA premium" prices.

[dfletcher]

Cool. Thank you for your help.

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Welcome.

You'll find it's easy to do. Don't need a 3rd hand to keep anything from flying out, nothing needs to really be finagled back in place. You can even work the trigger. And with the hammer out you can look down into the action and see the DA sear that would lift the hammer via the dogleg you'll remove. There's a small spring actuating the dogleg, just use the usual care and all is well.

My only screw up - and it was voluntary - was having the great idea of putting a little red Loctite on the hammer pivoting screw. Rather than dab some on the sideplate threads I dropped it on the screw threads and pushed it through the hammer, sideplate. That red Loctite sure does what it says it will - had to heat to unscrew and clean up.

[morrcarr67]

I converted my Off Duty to double-action-only so I have a hammer already that I can use for the conversion. Now to find the gun and a dealer that won't charge me an arm and a leg to use my own part for the conversion.

I'll remember not to use red Loctite on any of the parts.

Welcome.

You'll find it's easy to do. Don't need a 3rd hand to keep anything from flying out, nothing needs to really be finagled back in place. You can even work the trigger. And with the hammer out you can look down into the action and see the DA sear that would lift the hammer via the dogleg you'll remove. There's a small spring actuating the dogleg, just use the usual care and all is well.

My only screw up - and it was voluntary - was having the great idea of putting a little red Loctite on the hammer pivoting screw. Rather than dab some on the sideplate threads I dropped it on the screw threads and pushed it through the hammer, sideplate. That red Loctite sure does what it says it will - had to heat to unscrew and clean up.

[IVC]

Yeah, I forgot the "only". But is it really necessary to say if you know how revolvers and our laws work?

I wasn't sure you were looking to import one...

With that said, there are ways to push the limit with barrel inserts to make it dimensionally compliant. Back in the SSE days, guys would use special barrels during the ten day wait period that looked anything but...