C&R--wants and received rifles or guns

[jmlivingston]

Leave it to the CA DoJ to screw it up....

[wheelgunner]

K31, M39.

Discounts at Brownells, Midway, and some ammo distributors.

[PKAY]

COE and 03 FFL eliminates the 10 day wait for C&R handguns requiring DROS through a 01 FFL.

[imported_EOD Guy]

Here is an explination of the California C&R regulations. The references are to the applicable sections of the California Penal Code.

There is a lot of confusion around concerning the California regulations on C&R Firearms. The first thing to remember is that California, with few exceptions, requires all firearms transfers within the state to be processed through a dealer. There is no exception for C&R FFL holders. There is however, an exception to the dealer transfer requirement for C&R rifles and shotguns that are over 50 years old. [PC 12078(t)(2)] This exception is available to anyone legally able to possess firearms. California doesn’t care if you are licensed or not, that’s a Federal matter. The 50 year rifle and shotgun exception is the reason that C&R FFL holders in California can receive these types of firearms directly from an out of state supplier.

The California definition for a C&R firearm is exactly the same as that used by BATF in 27CFR. California references both Title 18 and 27 CFR for the definition. If the Feds say a firearm is C&R, so does the California DOJ.

There are a couple of exceptions to the firearms laws that are available to C&R FFL holders. If the licensee also holds a Certificate of Eligibility (COE) from the California DOJ, they are exempt from the 10-day waiting period when buying C&R firearms from a dealer. [PC 12078(t)(1)] The same C&R FFL holder with a COE is also exempt from the one handgun a month law for both C&R and modern handguns. [PC 12072(a)(9)(B)] You also would not need a handgun safety certificate when purchasing C&R handguns. [PC 12807(a)(6)]


Where the C&R FFL comes in handy is when the holder is out of the state. They may purchase any C&R firearm and bring it back to California. The exceptions of course include those “evil” “assault weapons” and magazines with a capacity greater than 10 rounds cannot be brought back. Any C&R handguns purchased must be registered with the California DOJ within 5 days and are reported on Form BCIA 4100A along with a $19.00 payment for each handgun. [PC 12072(f)(3)]

[jmlivingston]

That's a great summary! Maybe this can be posted into a single message that can by stickied somewhere so we have it as a reference.

John

[fred1814]

how can i apply for a COE

thanks

[icormba]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freddie:
i just applied for a c&r and i was just wondering what guns or rifles do people want or have received that are classified as a c&r firearm

also what are your experience with shipping or sellers

thanks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just picked my "new" IBM M1 Carbine up from the post office today! Can't wait to get off work and open that box up! it's my 1st C&R with my new license.

Shipping was great, for the USPS & they didn't give the me the "evil california" eye either

Got it off of gunbroker & so far the seller has been great. I'll know for sure when I open up the box.

I also sent my C&R to Century Int. & so far I've had to email them 3 times to see if I had access to their "dealer's" page yet. That took about 2-3 weeks after I sent my C&R through Priority Mail. Josh E. was a nice guy through email though.

[imported_Telpierion]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">how can i apply for a COE </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

COE application

[imported_Telpierion]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Interesting. When I was seeking a C&R, DOJ told me over the phone I needed one. So, I got one and then obtained my C&R. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Be wary of telephone inquiries with both CA DOJ and ATF. They may just be telling you what they think the rule is. Ask for the specific section of the penal code or for them to follow up with your inquiry in writing.