ETS Glock Mags "bias loading"

[b00gym4n]

Purchased several ETS (Elite Tactical Systems) glock mags based on stellar reviews from guys like sootch00. They look really cool and I like the idea of transparent magazines, but was quite disappointed when I tried loading them up. I bought the 9mm 17rd mags and about half of them only fill up to 15-16rds. I was told by ETS customer service that it was due to "bias loading" or in other words user error. Apparently you have to load up the mags by pushing your rounds exactly in the center of the mag in order to achieve it's 17rd capacity. Customer service said it was rare, but about half of my mags weren't filling up to 17rds. I've never had this happen in any of my OEM glock mags. For the $14 price tag they'll be useful at the range, but has anyone else come across this? Next time I'll stick to OEM.

[jcwatchdog]

Purchased several ETS (Elite Tactical Systems) glock mags based on stellar reviews from guys like sootch00. They look really cool and I like the idea of transparent magazines, but was quite disappointed when I tried loading them up. I bought the 9mm 17rd mags and about half of them only fill up to 15-16rds. I was told by ETS customer service that it was due to "bias loading" or in other words user error. Apparently you have to load up the mags by pushing your rounds exactly in the center of the mag in order to achieve it's 17rd capacity. Customer service said it was rare, but about half of my mags weren't filling up to 17rds. I've never had this happen in any of my OEM glock mags. For the $14 price tag they'll be useful at the range, but has anyone else come across this? Next time I'll stick to OEM.

[Yodaman]

[jeremiah12]

I have a few ETS G19 15 round mags and have never had that happen. I have many of their 10 round magazines for my G19 and G17. They do not have the feeding issues, especially with hollow points, that the Glock OEMs are famous for, especially for the G19.

The 15 round ETS were stored out of state until Freedom week.

I can only suggest cycling rounds through them to see if that fixes the problem. Other than that pay attention when loading and smack the mag to the side you want the round to move to when you see it first appear and before loading another.

[colossians323]

There will be more issues. Don't worry

[Erichp]

Well maybe I am bias....but that excuse seems a load of malarkey and doubt its rare. But is to be expected based on my experience with them on their loader. And have since ran into others who have as well.

If you research, you will find other cases of their products not working as advertised or consistent with their videos. One could say its a QC problem given they sometimes work great and other times no. But the hallmark of a bad company its to always say its the user versus examine the product and fix it or the issue leading to variation.

I bought their loader on the recommendation of a member saying they were good (sale at 2 for 1). But IMHO it is a complete POS. It would only work with some mags, typically with worn springs and was picky with specific brands of ammo (.004 wider rim width would bind in feed chute). Even oiling it continually ever couple mags it was challenged and would jam unlike their video where the guy is using a couple fingers zipping em in like tic tacs. I did find an online review where a guy has the exact problem I did and panned it. They replaced it with another "tuned" one to have him re-review.

I got the same malarkey about user error and that I must have damaged it though we confirmed on the phone that was not the case. The had me send it in at my expense and replaced it, but it was just about the same.

As watchdog said, a product should work as intended without gymnastics.

I just have to think that made in the US is not what it was years ago.

[Weezard]

I bought a couple of 10 round ETS mags a year or 2 ago based on the positive reviews and they turned out to be garbage. Based on your photos mine may have a spring issue. My springs definitely don't compress as neatly as that, they bend to the side. Also, halfway through the mag I'll get a round that won't feed because the tip wobbles up and down so it isn't pointing up out of the mag.

I considered it a lesson learned, but if they weren't 10 rounders I would be more upset.

[b00gym4n]

Any magazine that has to be loaded in a certain way or they don’t function correctly isn’t worth the time or money. I’ve never seen that before. The only thing I’ve experienced is stiff springs where the very last rounds have difficulty fitting in. I ended up buying some regular Glock mags and magpul Glock mags, various sizes. They all fit the correct amount of rounds just loading normally.

Agreed.

Yeah that’s odd. But then I’ve never used an ETS.

Does it feed all the round properly when it has been “bias” loaded?


Not sure if you have tried it at rename or cycled it?


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I haven't used them at the range yet, but will shortly. If they don't feed properly they're definitely going back.

Well maybe I am bias....but that excuse seems a load of malarkey and doubt its rare. But is to be expected based on my experience with them on their loader. And have since ran into others who have as well.

If you research, you will find other cases of their products not working as advertised or consistent with their videos. One could say its a QC problem given they sometimes work great and other times no. But the hallmark of a bad company its to always say its the user versus examine the product and fix it or the issue leading to variation.

I bought their loader on the recommendation of a member saying they were good (sale at 2 for 1). But IMHO it is a complete POS. It would only work with some mags, typically with worn springs and was picky with specific brands of ammo (.004 wider rim width would bind in feed chute). Even oiling it continually ever couple mags it was challenged and would jam unlike their video where the guy is using a couple fingers zipping em in like tic tacs. I did find an online review where a guy has the exact problem I did and panned it. They replaced it with another "tuned" one to have him re-review.

I got the same malarkey about user error and that I must have damaged it though we confirmed on the phone that was not the case. The had me send it in at my expense and replaced it, but it was just about the same.

As watchdog said, a product should work as intended without gymnastics.

I just have to think that made in the US is not what it was years ago.

Agreed it's complete bull IMO. The only reason why I haven't considered returning them yet is because I purchased them during our small window of high cap freedom. Lesson learned. Don't buy off brand glock mags.

[roostersgt]

Armorer told us all years ago, Glock magazines cost just a bit more, but you'll get magazines that will function every time. Magpul for AR's and factory for every hand gun I own.

[Weezard]

Armorer told us all years ago, Glock magazines cost just a bit more, but you'll get magazines that will function every time. Magpul for AR's and factory for every hand gun I own.

An exception to this could be Mec-Gar. They make a lot of the OEM mags so their "aftermarket" stuff is basically the same as OEM. Maybe a different base plate or different color follower.

[tanakasan]

Purchased several ETS (Elite Tactical Systems) glock mags based on stellar reviews from guys like sootch00. They look really cool and I like the idea of transparent magazines, but was quite disappointed when I tried loading them up. I bought the 9mm 17rd mags and about half of them only fill up to 15-16rds. I was told by ETS customer service that it was due to "bias loading" or in other words user error. Apparently you have to load up the mags by pushing your rounds exactly in the center of the mag in order to achieve it's 17rd capacity. Customer service said it was rare, but about half of my mags weren't filling up to 17rds. I've never had this happen in any of my OEM glock mags. For the $14 price tag they'll be useful at the range, but has anyone else come across this? Next time I'll stick to OEM.

Yes, buy OEM. Cheap mags are cheap, kinda like putting crappy fuel in your car or crappy ammo in your firearm.

Maybe these are clear so you can see and correct the issue.

Robert

[Old_Eyes]

Purchased several ETS (Elite Tactical Systems) glock mags based on stellar reviews from guys like sootch00.[/IMG]

I wouldn't admit this in public.. He's the more modern day nutnfancy.. They're both kind of lame.. The only difference is one has a free bonus affirmation at the end of his videos..

[k1dude]

Load using an Uplula. It'll likely eliminate the problem and save your thumb at the same time.

[b00gym4n]

I wouldn't admit this in public.. He's the more modern day nutnfancy.. They're both kind of lame.. The only difference is one has a free bonus affirmation at the end of his videos..

I used to watch sootch00 and nutnfancy back in 2009 and they were quite informative back then. I guess they've changed since then, but every review I could find online said ETS was up to par. Lesson learned.

[DT556]

I have several 15rd and 31rd ETS mags and they always hold the advertised amount.