Has anyone had bad experiences with the S&W revolver keylock?

[Cuda440]

You experienced 4 lock failures??

No offense but I find that extremely difficult to believe! And what are "magnum" rounds??

Your statement doesn't pass the smell test!

Thanks for your completely unbased opinion, I value it greatly.

Magnum meaning 357 Magnum, if you're familiar with those models you might know that it's extremely common to use 38 special for less recoil.

Have a great evening, Mr skeptical internet guy

[smittty]

Thanks for your completely unbased opinion, I value it greatly.

Magnum meaning 357 Magnum, if you're familiar with those models you might know that it's extremely common to use 38 special for less recoil.

Have a great evening, Mr skeptical internet guy

I'm calling BS!

I have owned more scandium frame S&W's than anyone I know and have exclusively shot Buffalo Bore 180 gr Outdoorsman thru them as I bought everyone one specifically for carrying outdoors.

If you stated you had one issue I'd want more information as you would be the first, first hand issue I've heard, but 4!

I'm calling BS!

[MyOdessa]

I'm calling BS!

I'm calling BS!

Let us know if BS answered your call.

[smittty]

Let us know if BS answered your call.

Let's see how he responds.

One guy, 4 failures, total BS!

Magnum loads?? They don't get much more "magnum" than the BB Outdoorsman.

I know scandium S&W's and I don't have a problem with calling BS when I see it.

[saki302]

Happened to me on a 5" john Ross. 500.

Lock came off shortly after.

Granted, the recoil of that pistol is legendary at the so cal shoots, but still.

[saki302]

To Smittty-

It's possible some springs were under spec and didn't put enough tension to hold the lock piece in place.
Manufacturing failures do happen sometimes.

In the case of mine, the recoil of 500gr projectiles in an imported ~3lb revolver probably exceed the design parameters of that lock 🤣

[saki302]

Can't edit with mobile- UNported not imported 🤣

[smittty]

Can't edit with mobile- UNported not imported ��

Thanks for clarifying, and I believe you.

I owned a ported 500 and recoil was tame. Never fired a non-ported but I know how powerful they are.

I don’t believe it happened to cudda44 with four different 357 mag’s.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

From 2011 - Confirmed: Smith & Wesson 686 Internal Lock Failed

Video linked to and one included in article...



There are far too many, first-hand reports out there to totally dismiss the possibility as FUD. With that said, it is something that doesn't appear to happen all that regularly. The problem is, it DOES happen.

In effect, it may only happen once in one thousand go 'rounds. But, like with everything similar, what kind of odds do you want on that once being when you really need it?

If I found a pre-lock in fantastic shape, I'd pony up the money for it. If I needed to pick up a lock version, then, personally, I'd remove the lock and plug the hole... Even though I know a few guys who own lock versions and have never had a problem.

[ruggyh]

.... I distinctly remember a time that my dads 500 locked after the first shot, he cocked the hammer back for a second shot and it would not fire- loaded cocked and ready to go with a rock solid trigger. Grabbed the key out of my bag and sure enough, click to unlock and resume shooting. it wasnt fully locked in the hammer down condition, but just cocking it for single action let the lock slip into place enough to brick the firearm.

All the locks have been removed now. You can buy the stainless pug for the hole, or just remove the little lock tab from the action but leave the keyhole piece in place

If he could pull the hammer back it was not a lock issue...

If the lock can be engaged enough to allow the hammer to be back but not allow the trigger to be pulled

If the lock some how becomes engaged while firing the lock is defective, this can be corrected.

Of coarse the lock can removed to eliminated to remove the possibility.

be safe
Ruggy

[xXRifleManXx]

[tipoc]

At the S&W forum over the years there have been a good many discussions of this. It does happen. There have been verified accounts. Not often though. Follow the link.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/562864-s-w-lock-failure-finally-happened-post140083607.html?562864=#post140083607

tipoc

[onelonehorseman]

I have not had any issues with my SW 500, 4", even though I've fire magnum loads from 350 gr up to 600 gr.

[Cuda440]

Thanks for clarifying, and I believe you.

I owned a ported 500 and recoil was tame. Never fired a non-ported but I know how powerful they are.

I don’t believe it happened to cudda44 with four different 357 mag’s.

OK I didnt say 4 357s, pretty sure a 460 and a 500 dont qualify as 357s, but youre the worlds scandium expert, you should know that already

Also, I dont know you, I dont care about you, I really give zero F#%&s about your opinion. The OP asked a question that I have experience with, I have no incentive to lie. You're calling me out like you have an argument of some sort, yet you have absolutely nothing except conjecture.

If youd like to continue posting unhelpful non-contributing pointless statements, by all means, be my guest. Like I said, I dont care about you, your opinions, or your desire to paint yourself as a pointless argumentative jack***. Have a great day

[Cuda440]

If he could pull the hammer back it was not a lock issue...

If the lock can be engaged enough to allow the hammer to be back but not allow the trigger to be pulled

If the lock some how becomes engaged while firing the lock is defective, this can be corrected.

Of coarse the lock can removed to eliminated to remove the possibility.

be safe
Ruggy

You can see that the hammer has two notches for the lock to slip into. I cant tell you exactly went on internally, but we cocked the hammer and shot SA, cocked the hammer a second time and couldnt pull the trigger, had to get the key and unlock it. Maybe the recoil knocked it halfway and cocking made it slip to the locked position, I really dont know. I just know that shot #2 would have been pretty worthless if a bear was coming towards you.