1911 casing ejecting to face

[XDJYo]

Nice! Thanks for the info!!! Great to have you on the board!

Sorry for the derail to the thread topic.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming. )

[Chapped Hide]

Should have bought a Glock, at least it would have thrown brass in your face at half the cost.

[MosinVirus]

^^^there it is.

The thread is now complete

[Matt P]

Just keep in mind grip could be an issue also.
As the gun recoils and twists in your hand can easily cause this to happen.

Rarely have I seen an issue with the ejection port size creating an issue.

I would first have you bench the gun or shoot it off a rest to see if this still occurs.
Try to really support the handgun off something.
Even maybe resting the mag base on a table if you don’t have something solid to shoot off.

If it still ejects back to your face with you really exerting tension with your support hand along with grounded or benched then the handgun may be at issue.

[ojisan]

Interesting comment re: ejectors. What is it about competition guns that would require an extended ejector. And I guess, more to the point, what difference does extended vs regular length accomplish?

Thanks!!! (Just a guy trying to learn more about the inner workings of a 1911).

A longer nosed ejector hits the fired case sooner, pushing it out of the breech area earlier.
Competition guns, depending on the type of competition, may have different slide speeds when recoiling (faster or slower) as compared to an original gun shooting standard ammo.
The slide speed affects the timing of the ejection...where is the ejection port in relation to the ejector / ejecting case.

I run a slightly shortened Commander ejector in my 5" .45 to get the brass started out the port a bit earlier.
While not necessary, I prefer this set up.
The Commander ejector is longer because the Commander slide does not travel as far back as a Gov't slide.
That means there is less time to eject the fired case before the slide starts forward again.

Plus, my longer ejector also works with my alternate Commander length slide, all I have to do is swap the top ends, no other mods required.

The lengthwise bevel cut at the back of the ejection port is more for reducing damage to the ejected cases than for actual ejection purposes.
Reducing damage to the ejected case is better for those who reload.
Competition shooters tend to reload a lot, so this competition modification is all about the reloading, not the ejecting.

[XDJYo]

A longer nosed ejector hits the fired case sooner, pushing it out of the breech area earlier.

Competition guns, depending on the type of competition, may have different slide speeds when recoiling (faster or slower) as compared to an original gun shooting standard ammo.

The slide speed affects the timing of the ejection...where is the ejection port in relation to the ejector / ejecting case.



I run a slightly shortened Commander ejector in my 5" .45 to get the brass started out the port a bit earlier.

While not necessary, I prefer this set up.

The Commander ejector is longer because the Commander slide does not travel as far back as a Gov't slide.

That means there is less time to eject the fired case before the slide starts forward again.



Plus, my longer ejector also works with my alternate Commander length slide, all I have to do is swap the top ends, no other mods required.



The lengthwise bevel cut at the back of the ejection port is more for reducing damage to the ejected cases than for actual ejection purposes.

Reducing damage to the ejected case is better for those who reload.

Competition shooters tend to reload a lot, so this competition modification is all about the reloading, not the ejecting.

That makes sense re the flared ejection port. I always wondered about the dented brass. I reload my 45, not yet for 9mm.

[CifaldiPrecision]

you are correct. I took the video when my friend was shooting it and he told me the shell hit the back and deflected to front then deflect back to my head. something like this.

Dummykid said he actually had video showing the cases hitting the ejection port sending the cases back at you correct? I would think that would be enough to put further speculation to bed.


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[dummykid]

yea, from the photo I post above, you would see the brass residual at both flare and front of ejection port.

Is this also a part of reliability package you provide or the extra work on top of reliability package? thinking about sending my colt to you for custom work next year after I get the SA back.

[dummykid]

Thanks for the tip. I have also done the bench rest test with the same result.

[CifaldiPrecision]

yea, from the photo I post above, you would see the brass residual at both flare and front of ejection port.



Is this also a part of reliability package you provide or the extra work on top of reliability package? thinking about sending my colt to you for custom work next year after I get the SA back.

Maybe a close up of the brass marks for us harder seeing older guys lol.

Having your ejection port lowered and flared is not part of the reliability package sorry to say.


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[ojisan]

Just clarification when I was discussing modifying the slide for ejecting loaded cases. The flare is not what I was talking about. I would open the ejection port forward slightly as it’s the nose of a loaded case that makes contact. This modification creates clearance.

Agreed.
This mod may be necessary if you are running a longer ejector.

The military 1911s could use a very small ejection port since there was only one standardized load at the time, so slide speed / recoil spring rate and ejection timing was set up to match this load only.
It really is amazing to shoot one of these originals and see the brass pop out of that tiny port.
But once different calibers, bullet weights and velocities of the ammo came into use, resulting in varying slide speeds, the bigger ports were needed.

[heidad01]

Just a wild guess here.

Since your new 1911 functions fine with the exception of ejecting brass to shooter's head/face, I'd say thst the port, spring, etc sre all working OK.

Look at the ejector. Especially the front/tip of the ejector. Look at the angles there. That tiny front surface of ejector is where the back of the brass hits to be expelled. The angle on that surface determines/affects the direction in which the empty brass leaves the slide. Minor filing will send the brass to the side instead of straight back to face.

Look at it, you will figure it out.

Good luck.

Note, a 9mm ejector should be longer than that of a .45 acp. Make sure they did not install (by mistake) a .45 ejector on a 9mm gun.

[ojisan]

LOL, went to Google to find ejector pics and found an old CG thread where I previously posted ejector pics.
Ejector stuff:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1171824

[Sailormilan2]

Interesting comment re: ejectors. What is it about competition guns that would require an extended ejector. And I guess, more to the point, what difference does extended vs regular length accomplish?

Thanks!!! (Just a guy trying to learn more about the inner workings of a 1911).

On my 1911s I use a 38 Super ejector. The added length gives a more positive ejection. The ejection ports on mine range from the .424" from the bottom of the slide(SAI) to .428"(RIA). Which coincides nicely with the "about .4" that Cifaldi spoke of.
I have no issues with brass hitting the ejection port.

[dummykid]

just an interesting update, I change my recoil spring to 10#, and the ejection is perfect, no more casing to face thing. Accuracy is still excellent, 1.5" group at 18 yard. ( maximum indoor range distance)