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  • GMG
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2008
    • 7974

    Is It True............

    If a person bought a handgun In CA. from a dealer prior to 1990, that it isn't on the CA. DOJ register?


    That's what someone told me!
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    Spanky8601
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2275

    Yep it is true.
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    • #3
      Lead Waster
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Sep 2010
      • 16650

      It doesn’t matter at all either unless you want to ship it within CA to sell it (??). But face to face you can sell it and the buyer can buy it.
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      • #4
        BarrettM99
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2015
        • 2199

        Just don’t get any bright ideas...
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        • #5
          jrara
          Senior Member
          • May 2009
          • 1728

          Lets build a time machine and go back in time and bring some Off Roster pistols into the state!
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          • #6
            RickD427
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            • Jan 2007
            • 9266

            Originally posted by GMG
            If a person bought a handgun In CA. from a dealer prior to 1990, that it isn't on the CA. DOJ register?


            That's what someone told me!
            Nope. It's not true.

            Dealer records go back to 1924.

            I've got several handguns that I purchased in the mid-70s that show up in AFS.
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            • #7
              Tri750
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 1030

              A Ruger 10/22 I bought when i was 18 in 1976 at Big 5 with my two first paychecks is on "the record"

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              • #8
                BarrettM99
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2015
                • 2199

                Originally posted by Tri750
                A Ruger 10/22 I bought when i was 18 in 1976 at Big 5 with my two first paychecks is on "the record"
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                • #9
                  GW
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • May 2004
                  • 16078

                  No but before 1990, you could do a private party sale without needing an ffl. My buddy bought his .357 in the parking lot of the Cow Palace.
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                  • #10
                    Quiet
                    retired Goon
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 30242

                    Originally posted by RickD427
                    Nope. It's not true.

                    Dealer records go back to 1924.

                    I've got several handguns that I purchased in the mid-70s that show up in AFS.
                    What he said.


                    CA handgun registration started in 1924.

                    Since the registration system is a historical database that tracks the life of a firearm, starting in 1996, CA DOJ has been entering old paper records into AFS with the goal of entering all records dating back to 1924.
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                    • #11
                      Librarian
                      Admin and Poltergeist
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 44654

                      Originally posted by BarrettM99
                      I thought that before the law changed a few years ago, long guns were only DROS’ed as long guns and then any records were removed after 30 days.
                      That was pre-2014.

                      Up until 1990, DROS was only for handguns; in 1990, DROS began to cover long guns, as you describe, and in 2014 DROS began to collect the same info as for handguns.

                      How a Ruger 10/22 transferred most recently (one presumes) in 1976 wound up in AFS I cannot guess.
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                      • #12
                        jeffrice6
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 5171

                        Originally posted by RickD427
                        Nope. It's not true.

                        Dealer records go back to 1924.

                        I've got several handguns that I purchased in the mid-70s that show up in AFS.
                        How bout long guns and the recent recordings?
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                        • #13
                          gunsandrockets
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 1537

                          IIRC, back when Commiefornia first expanded the DROS from handguns to all firearms there was still an exemption for C&R firearms. But with typical incompetence the anti-gunners created an unintended loophole, since in their effort to go after all long-guns they missed that their new law exempted some C&R handguns that previously required DROS. And this boo boo overlapped with a time when a flood of C&R handguns of all types from all over the world were flooding into the market.

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                          • #14
                            splithoof
                            Calguns Addict
                            • May 2015
                            • 5834

                            As Rick D. has pointed out, some records go way, way back. Some do not; some guns had no serial numbers assigned when manufactured. However, it is prudent to assume for the sake of purchasing used firearms that somewhere, in some form, that firearm likely has some piece of paper attached to it. Weather the "trail" goes cold due to a private party sale, gift, finding, taking, or whathave you, one has to be very cautious about such issues when buying or selling here in California.
                            I remember back in the day of the Recycler classifieds, and for many purchases it was legal to meet in the parking lot of your favorite place, inspect, pay cash, and then drive away. Sadly, those days are long gone here in Cali. Unless you personally know an individual very well, it is safe and prudent to see any buyer/seller as a government agent on a mission.

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                            • #15
                              kurac
                              Veteran Member
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 2917

                              The dealer had to keep a record before 1990, but starting in 1990 no private party transfers without going through a dealer. I believe the federal firearms act of 1968 required dealers nationwide to keep records of handgun purchases
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