Competition Guns

[rodralig]

I'm always curious about big claims about someone I've never heard of. It's telling whether this is someone that the claimant has shot with, or just read/heard about.

It's possible to make GM right off the bat starting in competition with mostly dry practice. Ben Stoeger did it...

Disclaimer: I never shot with Ben. I just read that on his website...


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[Gryff]

It's possible to make GM right off the bat starting in competition with mostly dry practice. Ben Stoeger did it...

Disclaimer: I never shot with Ben. I just read that on his website...

So, you actually didn't see Stoeger do it.

[mjmagee67]

So, you actually didn't see Stoeger do it.

It's a pretty well known fact that Stoeger dryfired himself to a paper GM. At which point he realized he didn't have the field course skills to be a cardboard GM. So we went back to the drawing board and reworked his dryfire training.....now he is a multi time US national champ and world champ.


He is also the best USPSA orientated firearms instructor out there.


My bet is this year he wins Production and Limited national championships.

[Whatisthis?]

It's a pretty well known fact that Stoeger dryfired himself to a paper GM. At which point he realized he didn't have the field course skills to be a cardboard GM. So we went back to the drawing board and reworked his dryfire training.....now he is a multi time US national champ and world champ.


He is also the best USPSA orientated firearms instructor out there.


My bet is this year he wins Production and Limited national championships.

Ben who? Prove this Ben... Stoeger you speak of is a real person!

[cindynles]

It's a pretty well known fact that Stoeger dryfired himself to a paper GM. At which point he realized he didn't have the field course skills to be a cardboard GM. So we went back to the drawing board and reworked his dryfire training.....now he is a multi time US national champ and world champ.


He is also the best USPSA orientated firearms instructor out there.


My bet is this year he wins Production and Limited national championships.

I don't think that will happen. Limited is a lot different from production (major vs minor and time vs points) and the competition is pretty stiff (Nils, Vogel, Sevigny, Coley, etc.).

[sigstroker]

Just a thought...

What guns do you currently have? Let us know and we may suggest a division. The rationale being - try a match with what you currently own, and maybe you'd get some insights on what you'd like for your competition gun...

Yeah, don't do that. You don't want to buy gear for what you have now and then have to buy new gear when you decide on your competition gun.

[rodralig]

Yeah, don't do that. You don't want to buy gear for what you have now and then have to buy new gear when you decide on your competition gun.

Buying gear is cheaper than buying a competition gun (without ever have been in a match) and finding out that the gun wasn't for him/her...

If the OP would do Production, a BladeTech kit (holster and mag pouches) cost less than $100. Way cheaper than getting a $1000 competition gun and realizing that it wasn't what you'd like to use going forward.

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[mmlook]

Buying gear is cheaper than buying a competition gun (without ever have been in a match) and finding out that the gun wasn't for him/her...

If the OP would do Production, a BladeTech kit (holster and mag pouches) cost less than $100. Way cheaper than getting a $1000 competition gun and realizing that it wasn't what you'd like to use going forward.

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don't forget mags

not all mags are cheap like glocks

for production, you would need a minimum of 5-6 good mags.
for some guns, that'll run you up to $500.

[rodralig]

don't forget mags

not all mags are cheap like glocks

for production, you would need a minimum of 5-6 good mags.
for some guns, that'll run you up to $500.

Not necessarily... In IDPA, 3 magazines should be sufficient for the Production division.


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[mmlook]

Not necessarily... In IDPA, 3 magazines should be sufficient for the Production division.


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no such thing as production division in IDPA...

[rodralig]

no such thing as production division in IDPA...

my bad - I meant "Stock Service Pistol" (SSP) which is the Production counterpart from USPSA.

Sheeesh... People nitpick a lot tonight... Including myself... Oh, well...


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[mjmagee67]

I don't think that will happen. Limited is a lot different from production (major vs minor and time vs points) and the competition is pretty stiff (Nils, Vogel, Sevigny, Coley, etc.).

Shooting is shooting.....but time will tell. No one knows for sure.

[broadside]

I shoot a slightly modified SA 1911 in 45acp for Single Stack Major in USPSA. Works for ESP in IDPA as well.

Also have an SP-01 with upgrades for USPSA Production. Its minor only, so shooting anything other than 9mm is rare unless its a well tuned load and gun to minimize recoil.

USPSA production rules have changed a while back to allow more modifications. Not really a true "production" class anymore but not as gracious as Limited or Carry Optic in terms of allowed modifications.

I shoot at Linden 1-2 times a months now. For Production and Limited, its mostly Glock and CZ pistols.

[IVC]

For me, my primary objective was improving at using my gun in scenarios that would best prepare me for defensive use of a handgun. For me that's IDPA and a pistol I could conceal - a G19.
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Since self defense skills are my priority, I'm not interested in a race gun - stock is fine.

Just a quick comment on these two points.

IDPA is still a game so "getting hits" or "preparing for self defense" is not quite how it really works. If you're shooting paper in competition, you're shooting paper in competition. The real benefit of IDPA would be to use the gun you carry to get proficient with it, albeit still proficient in a game.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that action shooting skills are the most important part of any self defense training as they ingrain very efficient gun handling and "accurate enough shooting at speed." I just don't believe in the "shoot IDPA for self defense.' For starters, why is everyone shooting with a fishing vest? A lot of fishermen getting attacked on their way to a boat?

Another point is that a race gun is as much better than a production gun for self defense as it is for shooting paper. If "accuracy at speed" with a race gun beats production gun in competition, it will beat it in self defense. The only drawback of a race gun for self defense (outside home) is its size/weight (not counting hair trigger that might be an issue for some DAs).

[SAD338]

I wish there was a cool Competition-equivalent phrase for Godwin's law except for IDPA vs USPSA. Lol.