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  • #46
    tbc
    Calguns Addict
    • Jun 2011
    • 5955

    Originally posted by bmk20398
    grouping = shooter & gun & ammo

    fact: grock.pro Ransom Rest test,
    2.5/25 = Rest & G35 & Winchester grouping

    hypothesis (1) all 3 responsive
    2.5/25 = 0.83/25 rest + 0.83/25 G35 + 0.83/25 Winchester

    hypothesis (2) grock.pro is Ransom Rest newbie. G35 is 1MOA gun.
    2.5/25 = 1.5/25 rest + 0.25/25 G35 + 0.75/25 Winchester

    hypothesis (3) G35 is not great
    2.5/25 = 0.25/25 rest + 1.75/25 G35 + 0.5/25 winchester

    hypothesis (4) Ammo rules
    2.5/25 = 0.5/25 rest + 0.5/25 G35 + 1.5/25 winchester

    I bet (3)


    The hypothesis can be proven by using a different gun that is known for accuracy as a control (reference) with same ammo and same rest. Perhaps a Les Baer, a WB, NH, CZ...

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    • #47
      RoundEye
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      • Mar 2010
      • 3671

      The G17L has longer barrel than the G34 which has a longer barrel the G17 which has a longer barrel than the G19, ... G26, ... G43. The longer sight radius is typically thought to provide more accuracy as your adjustments can be made more precisely.

      The G34 typically comes with adjustable sights, extended slide stop, extended magazine release, and a minus connector.
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      • #48
        wl518
        Member
        • Jun 2009
        • 372

        You will find it harder to shoot a G34 than a 17 or 19 due to recoil impulse. So accuracy may go down. Thats why a lot of G34 owners use a 13 lb recoil spring.

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        • #49
          Svashtar
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2017
          • 936

          Question for Glock fan boy .

          Originally posted by wl518
          You will find it harder to shoot a G34 than a 17 or 19 due to recoil impulse. So accuracy may go down. Thats why a lot of G34 owners use a 13 lb recoil spring.
          Last edited by Svashtar; 12-27-2017, 11:39 AM.
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          • #50
            driveljay
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 529

            Originally posted by RoundEye
            The G17L has longer barrel than the G34 which has a longer barrel the G17 which has a longer barrel than the G19, ... G26, ... G43. The longer sight radius is typically thought to provide more accuracy as your adjustments can be made more precisely.

            The G34 typically comes with adjustable sights, extended slide stop, extended magazine release, and a minus connector.


            This is where the $100 difference comes in.

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            • #51
              boopiejones
              Senior Member
              • May 2014
              • 2044

              Originally posted by Svashtar
              Sorry, I don’t see this at all. You have it backwards. A G19 will kick more than a G34. It’s loaded weight is about 3 oz less than the G34, and the shorter barrel will be snappier. I don’t see that shooting a G34 will be “harder” at all, to the contrary.

              Also, changing to a heavier recoil spring may soften the recoil coming back, but it increases the recoil when the pistol returns to battery, which a lot of people don’t think through.

              Your post implies that the heavier pistol requires a heavier spring because it generates more recoil. By that logic, an 8 3/8” S&W Model 27 will generate more recoil to the shooter than a 2.5 inch scandium frame Model 340 .357, and we know that’s not the case.

              It may be a good idea to change the 34 to a 13 lb spring, but that doesn’t mean the base G34 kicks any harder than a stock G19, or will be harder to shoot.

              Given an accuracy matchup, and ease of shooting, I do well with my G19, but would pick the G34 over it anytime for pure accuracy, because of the longer sight radius, the few oz of extra weight and slightly softer recoil. YMMV.
              isn't the stock spring 17#? a 13# spring is a decrease, not an increase.

              I think it is possible that a shorter barrel creates less recoil. reason being that less powder is burned when firing from a shorter barrel and therefore there is less velocity and less muzzle energy. some of that increased muzzle energy will certainly be negated by a heavier gun/barrel. but only to an extent. in your example of a giant, heavy handgun vs tiny light one, the increased weight of the gun more than offsets the increased muzzle energy of the longer barrel. but in the case of a G19 vs. G34, it might not.

              longer sight radius and factory minus connector are likely the primary reasons why a G34 has an advantage over a G19.
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              • #52
                Litespeeds
                Veteran Member
                • Jul 2015
                • 3260

                I've shot the G19 and G34 back to back and I assure you that the G34 is much more accurate and softer shooting.

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                • #53
                  humble servant
                  Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 484

                  In an article by Masad Ayoob he wrote that in shooting competitions he found that shooters were consistently more accurate with compacts over full sized pistols. After some practice I've become as accurate with my block 26 as I am with most of my full sized pistols.

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                  • #54
                    sigfan91
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                    • Jun 2009
                    • 12355

                    All else being equal, it's mostly the added weight of the longer slide and barrel, not the longer barrel itself, which contributes to increased accuracy. The recoil length might also figure into the equation. Same recoil force, but absorbed by the shooter's hand in a shorter time frame due to shorter recoil distance, means larger impulse. Larger impulse will throw off the hand or make the shooter flinch just a bit more.

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                    • #55
                      _TomT_
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jun 2013
                      • 3354

                      A G19 and G34 would be a more sensible combo IMHO. Love both guns, I really wanted a G41/G30S but damn the MP gougers.

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