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  • #31
    AKexpat
    Member
    • May 2014
    • 375

    Originally posted by Robert1234
    No, but for the money it can't be beat. I've gotten a slide and frame coated for $100.00. Bluing is less durable, same for parkerizing.

    And I kind of like the worn look on a gun, you know it's being used.
    I have to disagree with your opinion that Parkerizing is not durable. It worked during WWII in all of the mud and the blood. It is fairly inexpensive and holds oil well (especially on the frame/slide rails), better than blueing, paint, or the other spendy bling finishes. A BBQ gun it is not, unless some present there like working guns.

    And if you like the worn look, parked guns should be no problem, right?

    If the OP is looking for bling, parked guns won't satisfy him. Functionality might. I have never had a problem with the GI hammer and grip safety insofar as pinching the web of my hand. If you want the BTGP and the Commander style hammer, that is your call.

    In 2013 I bought an Olympic Arms 1911 Matchmaster stripped carbon steel frame at a gun show to use as a purpose-built pistol for a 1992 Ciener .22 LR conversion top end kit (that I bought new w/a 15-round mag and tired of installing it on either of 2 1911 .45 pistols just to shoot .22's. I used SARCO, Numrich, Wolff, and Hogue parts. Took about 4 month at about 2 hours per day to fit and polish the various parts, to include hammer/sear fit. I had no need for the BTGS and the combat hammer.

    I have a total of $500 into it and a bunch of sweat equity.

    Since the OP has had the 1911 lying around for a few years, and if it shoots well and completely disassembles satisfactorily, all that is needed is before the final finish is some judicious filing, fine sanding with 1500 grit paper, and polishing external surfaces before applying the final finish, whatever that might be.

    I had the frame and mainspring housing parked at the OLY factory for $45 (plus $5 shipping UPS) to match the Ciener barrel. It came to the house the next day.

    The pistol before the parking:



    After parking. You may notice a bit of discoloration at the top rear of the frame; that is oil from when the slide retracts:



    If the OP chooses a parked finish, be forewarned that, depending on the chemicals used in the bath, the finish color can be anywhere from a dark grey, to a light grey, or a grey-green, or somewhere in between. If parking is chosen, all parts must be parked at the same time in the same solution to match.

    If the OP only wants to spend ~$300 on improvements, this is within his limits.

    Originally posted by MarikinaMan
    I've got this fugly 1911 that shoots well. I wanna spiff it up a lot.

    What's a good strategy to make it look better, get rid of the dings on the slide, at a reasonable cost. I'd like to put only about 300ish into it.

    Or do I just let it be fugly?

    OP, IMO, you have a parts gun, but there is nothing wrong with that. I have had more than a few. If it runs, that is all that counts. You are missing a lower grip screw bushing on at least the left side, and the thumb safety is of the extended type. If you want to match that, find an extended slide stop.

    Here is a parts gun that should have not necessarily have been a parts gun.

    It is the much derided stainless AMT Hardballer .45 (Covina model). I bought it outside of a gun show for $150 with 2 original mags. Covinas were known to have soft stainless parts, and upon disassembly I found a bent sear pin, so I replaced the thumb safety, sear pin, hammer pin, extractor, and hammer strut with blued carbon steel parts and throated the barrel. It shoots any manner of ammunition now and it has been my SD/HD/CC/truck gun for over 25 years. I have about $300 into it and some sweat equity.



    Your money, your choice, sir.

    Jim

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    • #32
      Robert1234
      Veteran Member
      • Aug 2006
      • 3078

      Originally posted by AKexpat
      I have to disagree with your opinion that Parkerizing is not durable. It worked during WWII in all of the mud and the blood. It is fairly inexpensive and holds oil well (especially on the frame/slide rails), better than blueing, paint, or the other spendy bling finishes. A BBQ gun it is not, unless some present there like working guns.

      And if you like the worn look, parked guns should be no problem, right?

      If the OP is looking for bling, parked guns won't satisfy him. Functionality might. I have never had a problem with the GI hammer and grip safety insofar as pinching the web of my hand. If you want the BTGP and the Commander style hammer, that is your call.

      In 2013 I bought an Olympic Arms 1911 Matchmaster stripped carbon steel frame at a gun show to use as a purpose-built pistol for a 1992 Ciener .22 LR conversion top end kit (that I bought new w/a 15-round mag and tired of installing it on either of 2 1911 .45 pistols just to shoot .22's. I used SARCO, Numrich, Wolff, and Hogue parts. Took about 4 month at about 2 hours per day to fit and polish the various parts, to include hammer/sear fit. I had no need for the BTGS and the combat hammer.

      I have a total of $500 into it and a bunch of sweat equity.

      Since the OP has had the 1911 lying around for a few years, and if it shoots well and completely disassembles satisfactorily, all that is needed is before the final finish is some judicious filing, fine sanding with 1500 grit paper, and polishing external surfaces before applying the final finish, whatever that might be.

      I had the frame and mainspring housing parked at the OLY factory for $45 (plus $5 shipping UPS) to match the Ciener barrel. It came to the house the next day.

      The pistol before the parking:



      After parking. You may notice a bit of discoloration at the top rear of the frame; that is oil from when the slide retracts:



      If the OP chooses a parked finish, be forewarned that, depending on the chemicals used in the bath, the finish color can be anywhere from a dark grey, to a light grey, or a grey-green, or somewhere in between. If parking is chosen, all parts must be parked at the same time in the same solution to match.

      If the OP only wants to spend ~$300 on improvements, this is within his limits.



      OP, IMO, you have a parts gun, but there is nothing wrong with that. I have had more than a few. If it runs, that is all that counts. You are missing a lower grip screw bushing on at least the left side, and the thumb safety is of the extended type. If you want to match that, find an extended slide stop.

      Here is a parts gun that should have not necessarily have been a parts gun.

      It is the much derided stainless AMT Hardballer .45 (Covina model). I bought it outside of a gun show for $150 with 2 original mags. Covinas were known to have soft stainless parts, and upon disassembly I found a bent sear pin, so I replaced the thumb safety, sear pin, hammer pin, extractor, and hammer strut with blued carbon steel parts and throated the barrel. It shoots any manner of ammunition now and it has been my SD/HD/CC/truck gun for over 25 years. I have about $300 into it and some sweat equity.



      Your money, your choice, sir.

      Jim
      I'll start by saying I had a blued Les Baer DCM Hardball gun. Loved the finish, the way it looked after seeing holsters and USPSA matches. I hated the day I had to get it Cerakoted (I installed a BTGS and hammer, the required fitting left a bunch of bare metal that needed something).

      But if you put a parkerized or blued gun in and out of a holster and you'll see wear almost immediately. I know this cause I've had both. Not saying the worn look is ugly, but you do get wear on all edges and at the muzzle end of the slide (talking 1911 here). It's not durable. It is less expensive when done in bulk by someone set up for it, but that's all.

      Cerakote is a bit more durable. And I can get a frame and slide Cerakoted for $100.00. I looked for a place to get a gun blued, every quote I got was more than that.

      Parkerizing I didn't even bother looking for because I don't really care to pay for the look. I understand its value; it provides surface area for corrosion preventative to adhere to. Take a parkerized gun, heat it up and soak it in cosmoline or some other preservative and it's got a nice corrsion resistant coating. But by itself, it's a lousy surface treatment. Degrease one (which everyone seems to want to do these days when they clean their guns), and it starts rusting. It needs some sort of barrier (oil) to be any good as a gun coating.

      Hell, if you keep a gun in the white oiled it won't rust. And I'm talking large, external parts; slide, frame. Internal parts are usually well protected and have a bit of oil on them. They're not being wiped off every time the gun is holstered.

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      • #33
        Robert1234
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2006
        • 3078

        Originally posted by ElvenSoul
        Umm about that blueing is less durable.

        I understand the modern more eco friendly chemicals used today do not get the finish as deep as the old stuff.

        My Dad has a Korean War 1911 that belonged to Gus Uncle. Over the many decades it has taken a severe beating. Still looks like it belongs in a museum.

        Same with Parkerizing. New chemicals don't work as good as stuff from 60's & 70's.
        Bluing is less durable. Than just about any other coating or surface treatment. There's no denying that a thin layer of passivated corrosion is not going to be as durable as some modern heat cured coating. Or even parkerizing, which when done right is a great corrosion inhibiting treatment.

        That said, I like the look of a blued gun that has seen use. But I am not deluding myself into believing that it is in any way a durable, corrosion resistant coating. It's better than bare metal. And it looks good when done right.

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        • #34
          mtenenhaus
          Veteran Member
          • Jul 2007
          • 3416

          If it shoots great than perhaps this might be an excellent opportunity to learn to fit a beavertail grip safety, maybe even checker the front strap, fit a mag well...the world is your oyster, life is short, live a little.

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          • #35
            AKexpat
            Member
            • May 2014
            • 375

            Originally posted by Robert1234
            Parkerizing I didn't even bother looking for because I don't really care to pay for the look. I understand its value; it provides surface area for corrosion preventative to adhere to.
            Take a parkerized gun, heat it up and soak it in cosmoline or some other preservative and it's got a nice corrsion resistant coating.Degrease one (which everyone seems to want to do these days when they clean their guns), and it starts rusting.Degrease one (which everyone seems to want to do these days when they clean their guns), and it starts rusting.
            But by itself, it's a lousy surface treatment. Degrease one (which everyone seems to want to do these days when they clean their guns), and it starts rusting. It needs some sort of barrier (oil) to be any good as a gun coating.
            You folks have just identified parked guns exactly when you talk about removing oil. Are you into safe queens? I am 65 years old and I am old school. We always did the same for blued guns. Why not oil metal parts?

            Degrease one (which everyone seems to want to do these days when they clean their guns), and it starts rusting.
            Why in the heck would one want to remove oil from a tool?

            Then don't do that! Gun oil never hurt ANY firearm, unless you want a specific BBQ queen.

            My guns are well oiled TOOLS.

            Have a good night.

            Jim

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            • #36
              Rhyyke
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 2128

              Out of curiosity, are you shooting it without grips?

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              • #37
                MarikinaMan
                Veteran Member
                • Nov 2015
                • 4864

                Originally posted by Rhyyke
                Out of curiosity, are you shooting it without grips?
                No. It's got a set of plus colored Bianchi wrap around grips. I hate em.

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                • #38
                  noob_tube
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 4964

                  VZ Grips makes the finest custom 1911 grips, handgun grips, rifle grips, and firearm accessories on the planet! Made in the USA.


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                  • #39
                    ElvenSoul
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 17431

                    The most problematic of all coating and protectorants is.

                    Melonite

                    But do melonite the barrel
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