PPQ more "dangerous" than Glock?

[tanks]

No longer get unintentionl doubles, have gotten used to riding the reset. Never have had the slide on my Glocks lock back unintentionally. I use a high thumbs forward grip and my thumb touches the slide stop, which causes the slide to not lock back after the final round. Get it now? I use the same grip and ride the side stop on my PPQ without this issue. I have never had my ppq fail to lock back on an empty round. This tells me ppq engineered their slide stop better than Glock.

You were blaming the PPQ trigger for your "unintentional double taps". Now, after some getting used to it that is not the case. Could it be that you need to fix something else now so you don't prevent the gun from locking the slide back on your Glock?

BTW, you are doing it right, always blame the gun(s) first.

[deephouse]

PPQ more "dangerous" than Glock?

No longer get unintentionl doubles, have gotten used to riding the reset. Never have had the slide on my Glocks lock back unintentionally. I use a high thumbs forward grip and my thumb touches the slide stop, which causes the slide to not lock back after the final round. Get it now? I use the same grip and ride the side stop on my PPQ without this issue. I have never had my ppq fail to lock back on an empty round. This tells me ppq engineered their slide stop better than Glock.

Lefty here. I recently sold my PPQ 4". I ride my thumbs high and tight to the frame. Frequently hitting the ambi slide lock, and failing to lock back on last round. I don't own a VP9, but have rented one before and managed to do the same thing on that platform.



MIND YOU, that's NOT the only reason I sold the PPQ but I had an opportunity to get into a pistol I wanted (more) and went for it....



While I completely understand (and agree) from others that it's a training thing....I'm not going to retrain my grip for one particular semi auto gun (guns with long annoying ambi slide lock levers). The only time I change my grip really is either semi auto - or revolver. That's it.



I basically found my way into an FNS 9C which has a MUCH shorter ambi slide lock AND a plastic hump around the lock to prevent me from hitting it. I can hold it essentially the same way I hold my Glock 19 Gen3. No fuss.







I've been following this thread and falling both sides of the arguments here. But I would almost argue that long ambi slide locks are just not as friendly as they intended to be... It's almost better without it.

UMMMM I think we were talking about triggers tho.... LOL

[lawj11]

You were blaming the PPQ trigger for your "unintentional double taps". Now, after some getting used to it that is not the case. Could it be that you need to fix something else now so you don't prevent the gun from locking the slide back on your Glock?

BTW, you are doing it right, always blame the gun(s) first.

Lol, blaming the gun first is def the way to go. I kind of feel like I shouldn't have to adjust my grip for the slide to lock back on empty. To me this is a design flaw. Maybe i'm the only person experiencing this?

The unintentional double taps were a matter of getting adjusted to the trigger's reset, for sure. I'm more concerned about having an AD with the PPQ because of a slip up. I just feel that its trigger is less forgiving than a Glock's since the travel is shorter and the break is lighter. Not sure why this is such a debatable point? Guess some don't believe in physics?

[crufflers]

Thinking about selling both and buying a DA/SA, but damn controls on DA/SA are bulky after getting used to strijer fired

You know you don't have to stick to one flavor right? last gun I paid for but won't even pick up till next Friday is a SA/DA CZ 75 D Compact PCR. (I also have two other CZ's and three clones). I might not keep that one loaded all the time, but if I had a CZ when I needed a gun I would make it work for me. I loved SA/DA before I ever touched a Glock.

You could sell the PPQ but it would probably excel in competition... no better than a G34 but you don't already own a G34 and the PPQ is not easy to come by now. Never get rid of a G19 if you only have one. I just got back from the range and had a PPQ 5", G19, and G26. Also had a revolver but forgot the moon clips as usual so didn't shoot it more than 15 rounds - not fun to pick the 9mm cases out of a dirty cylinder. G19 and G26 were the most enjoyable to shoot for whatever reason. I guess I love Glocks. PPQ was boringly accurate as usual. The little Gen3 26 is really sweet - the hump on that one is in the perfect place for my hands.

[lawj11]

You know you don't have to stick to one flavor right? last gun I paid for but won't even pick up till next Friday is a SA/DA CZ 75 D Compact PCR. (I also have two other CZ's and three clones). I might not keep that one loaded all the time, but if I had a CZ when I needed a gun I would make it work for me. I loved SA/DA before I ever touched a Glock.

You could sell the PPQ but it would probably excel in competition... no better than a G34 but you don't already own a G34 and the PPQ is not easy to come by now. Never get rid of a G19 if you only have one. I just got back from the range and had a PPQ 5", G19, and G26. Also had a revolver but forgot the moon clips as usual so didn't shoot it more than 15 rounds - not fun to pick the 9mm cases out of a dirty cylinder. G19 and G26 were the most enjoyable to shoot for whatever reason. I guess I love Glocks. PPQ was boringly accurate as usual. The little Gen3 26 is really sweet - the hump on that one is in the perfect place for my hands.

This post makes me want to go to the range this weekend.

[crufflers]

This post makes me want to go to the range this weekend.

I hear you. I want to go back again already with different pistols. I wish I owned a range and could make a living that way or had enough land to have at least 100 yards outdoors.

[customiiguy]

Thank god I found this thread. Guess I should sell my ppq and buy a glock now lol

[808@515]

Thank god I found this thread. Guess I should sell my ppq and buy a glock now lol

No, no, you should sell your Glock and keep your PPQ. You're not keeping up.

[crufflers]

Thank god I found this thread. Guess I should sell my ppq and buy a glock now lol

No. Sell both and get a CZ, but only if the strikers bump-fire from a Isosceles stance and you keep shooting yourself in the leg holstering. Otherwise do what the hell you want

For God's sake though don't send that CZ into CGW to get butchered or you'll have to start shopping again and might miss your Glock.

[tanks]

Lol, blaming the gun first is def the way to go. I kind of feel like I shouldn't have to adjust my grip for the slide to lock back on empty. To me this is a design flaw. Maybe i'm the only person experiencing this?

Or rather than a design flaw, a matter of training. The video below touches this subject.

... I'm more concerned about having an AD with the PPQ because of a slip up. I just feel that its trigger is less forgiving than a Glock's since the travel is shorter and the break is lighter. Not sure why this is such a debatable point? Guess some don't believe in physics?

Guns are inherently dangerous hence that is why people recommend training. Shorter travel and less take up is considered a desirable feature, not a bug by most people. The logic you are using is the same one used by NYPD where they set the trigger pull at 11 lbs or so rather than spending money on training. NYPD officers still have NDs and shoot everyone but the perp in some armed encounters.

[Saym14]

To all the whiners here if you don't like the PPQ then don't buy one I have over 25,000 rounds through PPQs and I have not yet shot myself or anyone else accidentally .

[lawj11]

Or rather than a design flaw, a matter of training. The video below touches this subject.




Guns are inherently dangerous hence that is why people recommend training. Shorter travel and less take up is considered a desirable feature, not a bug by most people. The logic you are using is the same one used by NYPD where they set the trigger pull at 11 lbs or so rather than spending money on training. NYPD officers still have NDs and shoot everyone but the perp in some armed encounters.

I am well aware of this video and the NYPD story where they shot bystanders and not the perp. I agree that at a certain point the trigger is just too heavy to shoot accurately, because of physics.

I honestly don't think that most handguns were designed to shoot with a high thumbs forward grip--this is a modern grip, newer than the design of most guns. Glock should adapt to allow for this grip rather than the shooter having to grip the gun unnaturally high. Proctor's grip is ridiculously high in this video and he would be rubbing his thumbs agains the slide. Instead of pressing on the slide stop with your strong hand he recommends moving your support hand higher so that it now is touching the slide stop, the weak hand thumb is on top of it (into the stratosphere). You know that little notch cut out on the grip above the mag release and below the slide? Ummmm, I think it is there for your thumb? Gaston Glock probably didn't have competition shooters in mind when he developed the Glock.

[tipoc]

Earlier in this thread lawj11 posted a longer post that gave the pros and cons of the Glock vs. the Walther PPQ that he could see or had an opinion on.

Post 103 from 9/15 quoted that post in full and others quoted parts of it later. lawj11 said in that post:

Will the unintentional double taps get better if I train more with the Walther (only taken it out to the range twice)? Seem like a safety issue for HD...

lawj11 has since deleted or edited that post and the bulk of it was removed.

Later in post 119 he says:

No longer get unintentionl doubles, have gotten used to riding the reset. Never have had the slide on my Glocks lock back unintentionally. I use a high thumbs forward grip and my thumb touches the slide stop, which causes the slide to not lock back after the final round. Get it now? I use the same grip and ride the side stop on my PPQ without this issue. I have never had my ppq fail to lock back on an empty round. This tells me ppq engineered their slide stop better than Glock.

So sometime between the 14 and 15th of this month lawj11 went to the range for a third time with the Walther and cleared up decisively his issue with unintentional double taps with the PPQ. He was able, in a single range trip, to clear up his issues with the Walther and now "rides the reset."

Unbelievable good news! Unbelievable.

Now it's time to critique other shooters grips on a gun and question Glock design.

What's this thread about again? An exercise is seeing how long a thread you can get if you keep changing up the topics?

tipoc

[crufflers]

Earlier in this thread lawj11 posted a longer post that gave the pros and cons of the Glock vs. the Walther PPQ that he could see or had an opinion on.

Post 103 from 9/15 quoted that post in full and others quoted parts of it later. lawj11 said in that post:



lawj11 has since deleted or edited that post and the bulk of it was removed.

Later in post 119 he says:



So sometime between the 14 and 15th of this month lawj11 went to the range for a third time with the Walther and cleared up decisively his issue with unintentional double taps with the PPQ. He was able, in a single range trip, to clear up his issues with the Walther and now "rides the reset."

Unbelievable good news! Unbelievable.

Now it's time to critique other shooters grips on a gun and question Glock design.

What's this thread about again? An exercise is seeing how long a thread you can get if you keep changing up the topics?

tipoc

^^^^
Hey there's a decent punchline post. Maybe he doesn't "shoot a lot more than the majority of experienced people on this forum (a bunch of numnutz keyboard operators that act like they are bullet proof and infallable)"...

But how many new shooters can honestly say they are good at bump-firing? Give the guy some credit. Plus that unintentional second shot is probably way high on the target or maybe into the rafters... he did come here for advice to correct or maybe just to share some revelations no one figured out yet about the dangers of the striker mechanism. Seriously though, he does seem to have a decent sense of humor and can take a ribbing.

[tipoc]

But how many new shooters can honestly say they are good at bump-firing? Give the guy some credit. Plus that unintentional second shot is probably way high on the target or maybe into the rafters... he did come here for advice to correct or maybe just to share some revelations no one figured out yet about the dangers of the striker mechanism. Seriously though, he does seem to have a decent sense of humor and can take a ribbing.

I don't know? Honest new shooter, or odd troll? Maybe odd new shooter with ADD?

I gotta go someplace.

tipoc