PPQ more "dangerous" than Glock?

[Lead Waster]

The only thing that would make one less safe than the other is your finger.

This is exactly it. The "passive" safeties are the same on both (I have both Glocks and PPQs). If your finger is not on the trigger, then they are the same.

I think for COPS they require HEAVIER triggers (and the PPQ might not be for them) because of all the people in the world, cops tend to point their guns AT PEOPLE more than anyone else, and given that it's typically stressful when they do it ... and that cops have different levels of COMPETENCY, it's possible that cops will point their guns at people with their fingers ON the trigger. So the risk of ND is much higher for cops than normal people (and CCW holders who DO NOT point their guns at people on a regular basis).

Back in the day with DA revolvers, trigger discipline was probably less of a factor, and NYPD cops who were so used to their DA revolvers couldn't wrap the Glock trigger around their heads (in the 80s) which is why the heavy NY triggers/springs were provided.

Both guns (and MOST MODERN GUNS) are equally safe unless you put your finger on the trigger. (Yes yes, except for SIG 320s when you drop them).

[CSTactical]

The only thing that would make one less safe than the other is your finger.

Or clothing, or something that inadvertently falls into your trigger guard, hell someone did the mallet test similar to what made the P320 discharge and the striker released but was at lease blocked by the FPS. So things aren't always so black and white.

[Lead Waster]

Or clothing, or something that inadvertently falls into your trigger guard, hell someone did the mallet test similar to what made the P320 discharge and the striker released but was at lease blocked by the FPS. So things aren't always so black and white.

True, but if clothing gets caught in the trigger guard and pulls the trigger, what difference does it make what gun you are carrying? The trigger is being pulled! UNLESS the gun has a manual safety, which, ironically, would make a cocked and locked 1911 safer than a "safe action" or decocked double action gun!

I think ... once the trigger is pulled via finger or clothing ... all bets are off ... but that's the whole point of having a trigger ... pulling it fires the gun.

[CSTactical]

True, but if clothing gets caught in the trigger guard and pulls the trigger, what difference does it make what gun you are carrying? The trigger is being pulled! UNLESS the gun has a manual safety, which, ironically, would make a cocked and locked 1911 safer than a "safe action" or decocked double action gun!

I think ... once the trigger is pulled via finger or clothing ... all bets are off ... but that's the whole point of having a trigger ... pulling it fires the gun.

It can make a huge difference IMO, when holstering with a hammer fired (Or Striker Control Device on a Glock) if you put your thumb over the hammer while re-holstering you can get instant feedback through your thumb while blocking the gun from discharging.

[CouchOperator]

The only feedback youd get from a 1911 hammer if the trigger is engaged with the safety off is pain and noise.

[Lead Waster]

^^ Good point on hammer guns (or Glocks with the device on them).

[beanz2]

Pffft, nobody knows anything on this thread.

THIS is the safest gun. PERIOD.



Just ask Michael Bloomberg.

[Calico1404]

Or clothing, or something that inadvertently falls into your trigger guard, hell someone did the mallet test similar to what made the P320 discharge and the striker released but was at lease blocked by the FPS. So things aren't always so black and white.

Just my thoughts CST:

Negative, your other finger on your other hand should be clearing that clothing.
If you are holstered nothing touches the trigger. It is when you are in possession of the firearm that accidents occur i.e. your fingers, all of them, on both hands. Clear your clothing, guide your pistol home, establish its holstered.

If you are worried about a 320 dropping and taking a pot shot at you (haha jokes jokes) then get a level 3 retention holster

[CSTactical]

The only feedback youd get from a 1911 hammer if the trigger is engaged with the safety off is pain and noise.

Why would anyone do that? It's meant to be cocked and locked. I was referring to many other handguns that come in DAO, DA/SA, LEM, DAK etc...

[crufflers]

Not tactical at all, no leo or military background to speak of. I just shoot a lot and read a lot too. There's a lot of miss information anout the PPQ online.

Yeah, you don't have to know the entire history or every datapoint and minute specification to shoot a gun well.

I think I knew a lot about the PPQ lineage before I SSE'd the 5" simply because they were very recommended and I was of the opinion that Walthers sucked. I gave another one a shot.

Lots of people here know exactly where the PPQ came from.

[CSTactical]

Just my thoughts CST:

Negative, your other finger on your other hand should be clearing that clothing.
If you are holstered nothing touches the trigger. It is when you are in possession of the firearm that accidents occur i.e. your fingers, all of them, on both hands. Clear your clothing, guide your pistol home, establish its holstered.

If you are worried about a 320 dropping and taking a pot shot at you (haha jokes jokes) then get a level 3 retention holster

People are not infallible, I've been in a intermediate/advanced class with a reserve deputy holstering his P226 where his 5.11 draw string just got into his trigger mid holstering and the instructor caught it. Even experienced people make mistakes...

[Calico1404]

People are not infallible, I've been in a intermediate/advanced class with a reserve deputy holstering his P226 where his 5.11 draw string just got into his trigger mid holstering and the instructor caught it. Even experienced people make mistakes...

Touche,that is why it is always tactical spandex for me.

[CSTactical]

^^ Good point on hammer guns (or Glocks with the device on them).

I've been carrying concealed for awhile and if it wasn't for the SCD's on my Glock that I'd probably be looking at a P30k LEM.

Having an easy to shoot gun like a Glock/PPQ/P320/P10/VP9 is great for shooting, but having an easy to shoot gun can also allow less room for errors.
I haven't had anything personally happen to me change my mind though I have more respect for choosing a gun with a longer pull and/or a slightly heavier trigger. YMMV.

[CSTactical]

Touche,that is why it is always tactical spandex for me.

No pictures please! (Unless you're a hot chick )

[CouchOperator]

Touche,that is why it is always tactical spandex for me.

Picz plz