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Where can I find 1,440 ft/s FMJ 9mm?
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Keep in mind, you must know where a commercial ammo manufacturer got their ballistics from. What was the platform and length of barrel that they got their results from? Ive seen handgun ammo ballistics before but then in very small fine print it says tests were conducted in a 24" barrel. Hardly useful information when using the ammo in a handgun.Previous iTrader rating, over 150 Positive ratingsComment
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There's a reason Buffalo Bore is sticking to +p+ only and not venturing into 9mm Major loads, they dont want to be sued out of business. The OP's customer should look into 9x23 Winchester as it is the only commercially loaded ammo that can fill his requirements.The wise man said just find your place
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Originally posted by geyasinteresting thread, I also have the same question
9x25, 10mm, .357 sig, 7.62x25, .45 Super, and even .40s&w are all cartridges that are actually designed to put out that kind of energy. This is one of those scenarios where adapting what you already own is not a particularly good idea, when there are so many other safer options available.Last edited by CandG; 08-25-2017, 4:38 PM.Comment
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Yeah, .357 SIG would do the job. I clocked factory ammo at 1400 out of my 229.Comment
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124gr @ 1440fps is, by the way, 571ft/lbs of muzzle energy. That's getting into 10mm territory. 9mm is designed to put out about half that.Comment
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If even Underwood's 124gr +P+ ammo only gets you 1300fps, then you're going to have a heck of a time finding any that do 1440fps. That sounds like a dangerously high pressure for a 9mm chamber.
I can get 1450 fps with standard 9mm ammo from a 14.5" barrel.
The OP didn't say what barrel length was required.
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I'm going to side with those that say that nickel's customer is asking for for something incredibly dangerous, if not impossible.I meant, it is my opinion that...
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Me too. I'd heard of supposedly hotter subgun ammo, but this stuff is crazy. Designed to get an open-bolt smg to function in the artic, it barely makes 1450 fps out of a Stirling, with what, an 8" barrel?
I'm going to side with those that say that nickel's customer is asking for for something incredibly dangerous, if not impossible.The wise man said just find your place
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Seek the roses along the way
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L7A1- This ammunition was produced between 1990 and 1992. Many samples exceed the NATO maximum chamber pressure specification for small arms, which is 50,000 PSI (345 MPa). For this reason, the British MOD ceased to use it. It was replaced with:
L12A1- This ammunition is substantially similar, but uses a slightly reduced charge in order to stay under the 50,000 PSI NATO maximum pressure specs.
Both of these rounds feature a 124-grain FMJ ball bullet, and produce a maximum velocity of about 1,500 fps.
In terms of the commercial availability of these rounds, the MOD released 12 million rounds of L7A1 ammunition as surplus. Since the ammunition is packaged in a 1,200 round case, this means that 10,000 cases were released. Since HP refuses to sell this ammunition to the public, and only produced L7A1 in 1990, 1991, and 1992, and only for the British contract, that means that the entire world's supply consists of 10,000 cases.
Likewise, within several months of release, BATF banned the importation of the ammunition, due to its being unsafe for use in handguns. This second fact makes the ammunition even more rare in the United States.
Beware of attempts to sell ammunition which is falsely advertised as " Hirt SMG ammo ". Many dealers, either due to ignorance or fraudulence, will sell standard Hirtenberger ammunition and claim that it is the SMG rounds.
L7A1 ammunition can be identified by its headstamps:
'HP' (for Hirtenberger Patronen)
'90', '91', or '92' (year of production)
'L7A1' (ammunition type)
NATO proof mark (a circle with a cross inside)
If the headstamp doesn't contain "L7A1", it is NOT the SMG rounds.
Some forgeries of this ammunition have been produced in other nations (particularly in Darra, Pakistan, where many forgery firearms and ammunition are produced for the black market). The easiest way to tell that the ammunition is forged, is the absence, or poor application, of a red sealant ring around (and slightly onto) the primer.
Any ammunition marked "L12A1" is either a forgery or stolen, since HP produces it exclusively for British MOD.
The only other manufacturers of "SMG" ammunition (to my knowledge) are:
Israel Military Industries (IMI), who produce the ammunition packaged in either plain brown boxes or boxes with the " UZI " logo. These rounds are black-tipped, but the black tip designates them only as high-pressure, not specifically as SMG rounds; and
Remington, who have produced a 9mm SMG round loaded with a standard JHP (not Golden Saber) bullet. Any company advertising Remington SMG Golden Sabre rounds is falsely advertising.
Note that Remington only produces the SMG rounds on a per-request basis, and only for government agencies. Likewise, IMI produces the SMG ammunition rarely (mostly for Israeli and American military contracts) and very few samples of it are in circulation in the US, mostly in the hands of collectors.
SMG-specific rounds are NOT SAFE to fire in any handgun. There are a few handguns designs which can tolerate it SPARINGLY, but I do not recommend this practice. Remember, the SAAMI maximum chamber pressure for 9mm +P rounds is 38,500 PSI, and the NATO maximum chamber pressure for small arms, including rifles, is 50,000 PSI. SMG-specific rounds meet or exceed the 50,000 PSI mark.
Note also that SMG rounds are likewise unsafe to fire in many submachineguns, and virtually all pistol-cartridge carbines, since both are usually engineered for 9mm pistol ammunition. Only a very few models of carbines and submachine guns are suitable for firing the ammunition in; if in doubt, contact the manufacturer and ask them about the use of L7A1 ammunition in their guns.
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124gr@1440fps... From a 5"-6" barrel pistol, that's Major9 territory. It's been done but it's on the ragged edge. Much easier/better to shoot +P's from a 9x19mm carbine, if the bullet has to come from a 9x19 case. Though I don't know why that would matter.Luck favors the prepared.
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I have nothing helpful to contribute, but wanted to say thank you to hermosabeach for a very educational contribution.
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The wise man said just find your place
In the eye of the storm
Seek the roses along the way
Just beware of the thorns... K. MeineComment
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