AR Pistol SSE2 Legal Question

[Mushu2211]

Here is the deal.
I finished my AR Pistol from 80% lower with SSE2 compliance and registered my ownership in NOVEMBER 2016.
On FEBRUARY 2017, DOJ sent me a letter approving my ownership of the AR.
Question is:
Will I be in troubles if I convert the AR from SSE to semi auto?
Technically I finished the AR before Jan 2017; however, the date of approval ownership was on Feb 2017.
Thanks for all your thoughts.

[morrcarr67]

Here is the deal.
I finished my AR Pistol from 80% lower with SSE2 compliance and registered my ownership in NOVEMBER 2016.
On FEBRUARY 2017, DOJ sent me a letter approving my ownership of the AR.
Question is:
Will I be in troubles if I convert the AR from SSE to semi auto?
Technically I finished the AR before Jan 2017; however, the date of approval ownership was on Feb 2017.
Thanks for all your thoughts.

Thoughts are on how the new SSE law is written that the conversion from single shot to semi auto is a continual building process of the firearm. And thus you have built an illegal off roster semi auto pistol.

[Nguyen]

Here is the deal.
I finished my AR Pistol from 80% lower with SSE2 compliance and registered my ownership in NOVEMBER 2016.
On FEBRUARY 2017, DOJ sent me a letter approving my ownership of the AR.
Question is:
Will I be in troubles if I convert the AR from SSE to semi auto?
Technically I finished the AR before Jan 2017; however, the date of approval ownership was on Feb 2017.
Thanks for all your thoughts.

lol

[Doggboy]

Here is the deal.
I finished my AR Pistol from 80% lower with SSE2 compliance and registered my ownership in NOVEMBER 2016.
On FEBRUARY 2017, DOJ sent me a letter approving my ownership of the AR.
Question is:
Will I be in troubles if I convert the AR from SSE to semi auto?
Technically I finished the AR before Jan 2017; however, the date of approval ownership was on Feb 2017.
Thanks for all your thoughts.

First post? Doesnt the DOJ have anything better to do?

[RickD427]

Here is the deal.
I finished my AR Pistol from 80% lower with SSE2 compliance and registered my ownership in NOVEMBER 2016.
On FEBRUARY 2017, DOJ sent me a letter approving my ownership of the AR.
Question is:
Will I be in troubles if I convert the AR from SSE to semi auto?
Technically I finished the AR before Jan 2017; however, the date of approval ownership was on Feb 2017.
Thanks for all your thoughts.

Yes, You can be in trouble if you convert the AR from SSE to Semi-Auto.

[Mushu2211]

First post? Doesnt the DOJ have anything better to do?

Yes sir. First post




But I ve possessed the firearm before 2017.
Can I use the time of possession to argue?

I know it may be silly but when I serialized and registered ownership for the AR in November, the DOJ said that it only took 4 weeks to process .

Btw, thanks for your all advices

[Nguyen]

Yes sir. First post




But I ve possessed the firearm before 2017.
Can I use the time of possession to argue?

I know it may be silly but when I serialized and registered ownership for the AR in November, the DOJ said that it only took 4 weeks to process .

Btw, thanks for your all advices

Have you done any research prior to making this post or did are you too lazy and want to me spoon fed the answers?

[morrcarr67]

Yes sir. First post




But I ve possessed the firearm before 2017.
Can I use the time of possession to argue?

I know it may be silly but when I serialized and registered ownership for the AR in November, the DOJ said that it only took 4 weeks to process .

Btw, thanks for your all advices

Your question was about SSE 2.0 to semi auto.

You said you built and registered in November 2016.

SSE 2.0 was in effect when you built and registered.

SSE 2.0 is in effect right now.

SSE 2.0 will be in effect until they write a new law giving us SSE 3.0.

You have been told that conversion to semi auto could cause you legal problems.

Feel free to convert it to a semi auto if you want to take the chance and have enough time and money to defend yourself if things go wrong for you.

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[Mushu2211]

Your question was about SSE 2.0 to semi auto.

You said you built and registered in November 2016.

SSE 2.0 was in effect when you built and registered.

SSE 2.0 is in effect right now.

SSE 2.0 will be in effect until they write a new law giving us SSE 3.0.

You have been told that conversion to semi auto could cause you legal problems.

Feel free to convert it to a semi auto if you want to take the chance and have enough time and money to defend yourself if things go wrong for you.

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Thanks for answering

This was what I followed

The handgun needs to be made into a dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol or a dimensionally compliant break-top/open single-shot pistol.

Because the firearm can never had been semi-auto prior to creation, you will most likely need to build your own upper, instead of buying an existing upper and modifying it. This is because existing uppers are typically test fired by the manufacturer as a semi-auto.

In addition to installing a non-detachable 0 round mag/sled*, the following must be done depending on the type of upper...

If the AR style pistol normally operates via direct impingement, then:
1. Do not install a gas tube.
2. Do not install a gas block or plug the gas block.
This makes it a straight pull bolt-action single-shot.

If the AR style pistol normally operates via gas-piston, then:
1. Do not install a gas piston.
2. Do not install a gas block or plug the gas block.
This makes it a straight pull bolt-action single-shot.

If the AR style pistol normally operates via blowback, then:
1. Install a dowel in the buffer tube, which prevents the buffer from moving.
This makes it a break-top/open single-shot.

The upper will also need a minimum 6" barrel length and the handgun will need a minimum 10.5" overall length.

*non-detachable 0 round mag/sled...
Until 12-31-2016, a "bullet button" style maglock + 0 round mag/sled will comply with this requirement.
Starting 01-01-2017, a maglock that requires the firearm's action to be disassembled + 0 round mag/sled or a sealed/welded in 0 round mag/sled or a solid magazine well will be needed to comply with this requirement." [/QUOTE]

So I was stupid to register it?

[Mushu2211]

I got it now.

Thanks team

[rm1911]

AR Pistol SSE2 Legal Question

First post? Doesnt the DOJ have anything better to do?

this can't be the DOJ. Look at the username. It doesn't mean anything.

Now if it was DOJ, they'd be something like XOper8r2k17 or TactiCali556. That way we'd never figure it out. We'd think they're legit.

[Cheburashka]

Yes, You can be in trouble if you convert the AR from SSE to Semi-Auto.

Why would he be in trouble assuming he followed all the steps and the pistol was a true single shot before he converted into a semi-auto in 2016?

[Nguyen]

Why would he be in trouble assuming he followed all the steps and the pistol was a true single shot before he converted into a semi-auto in 2016?

everyone on calguns is a lawyer that specializes in gun laws.

[RickD427]

Why would he be in trouble assuming he followed all the steps and the pistol was a true single shot before he converted into a semi-auto in 2016?

The belief that a weapon can be "Manufactured" as a single shot and then lawfully be "Converted" to semi-auto (as the law stood prior to 2017) is (was) a legal theory only. The argument relies on the "Converting" being different from the "Manufacturing." That theory was never tested in court, and we therefore do not know if it is (was) ever true.

The counter-argument (also not tested in court) is that all of the operations leading to the semi-auto were "Manufacturing" and thus illegal under PC section 32000, even in 2016.

[RickD427]

everyone on calguns is a lawyer that specializes in gun laws.

Not true, some of us are LEO's who have the responsibility to take folks to jail when they violate the law. IMHO, that's a much better job than being a lawyer............