Modified Isosceles

[Mute]

I'm agnostic. For competition the mod iso probably works best. For the real world with people shooting at you, I doubt you'll care. You'd be too busy running for cover. Front sight, smooth trigger press and get off the X is probably going to be your first priorities. Use whatever gets the job done for you!

[JTROKS]

Thanks for that article. I've been switching back and forth lately trying both stances and for me Weaver is more forced and has many things you have to pay attention to. I don't want to have to think about how hard should I push with one hand or pull with the other. Under a stressful situation I don't think I'd be thinking about either or those.

btw: thumbs forward along the slide with the strong hand thumb over the weak both pointing at the target is to be used with isoceles correct?

The stance you take is totally dependent on what the situation is. You shouldn't expose yourself as an easy target. Isoceles will not work if you have to duck behind a wall or car. IPSC shooting is a sport and a very valuable tool in learning how to shoot, but it will get you killed if you just take the run and gun mentality out in the open. The key is to adapt.

[till44]

The stance you take is totally dependent on what the situation is. You shouldn't expose yourself as an easy target. Isoceles will not work if you have to duck behind a wall or car. IPSC shooting is a sport and a very valuable tool in learning how to shoot, but it will get you killed if you just take the run and gun mentality out in the open. The key is to adapt.

I agree with JTROKS, both stances have a place depending on situation. I have found that when teaching others to shoot it really depends on their upper body strength. Strong wrists and forearms allow one to shoot all day in weaver. I think weaver is much easier to do as well while manuervering through a room or building doing a search, there is just more flexibility in your arms to pie corners, breach doorways, and shoot on the move. The isoceles works great with unexpereinced shooters and those with a weaker upper body, the bone on bone base helps keep the weapon steady.

At the range I shoot both, mainly weaver for the close up and follow up shots. If I'm taking 50-75 yard pistol shots I'll go to isoceles to give me a sturdier base. All in all it's what works for you.

[Sam]

I agree with JTROKS, both stances have a place depending on situation. I have found that when teaching others to shoot it really depends on their upper body strength. Strong wrists and forearms allow one to shoot all day in weaver. I think weaver is much easier to do as well while manuervering through a room or building doing a search, there is just more flexibility in your arms to pie corners, breach doorways, and shoot on the move. The isoceles works great with unexpereinced shooters and those with a weaker upper body, the bone on bone base helps keep the weapon steady.

At the range I shoot both, mainly weaver for the close up and follow up shots. If I'm taking 50-75 yard pistol shots I'll go to isoceles to give me a sturdier base. All in all it's what works for you.

good points I hadn't even thought of. I was mainly thinking about encounters while CCWing or at home. I suppose at home I may need to go around corners, but I plan to hole up in a room and not do a lot of clearing.

[rayra]

You folks looking to slavishly follow the 'best' stances etc just better be damned careful or you'll wind up like that idiot young kid that took his IPSC-style offhand thumb up high and forward pose and used it shooting is shiny new S&W 500 revolver - and the jet of hot high-pressure gases venting out the cylinder gap promptly shredded the end of his thumb to the bone.
And the idiot further went on to state he intended to sue, because HE didn't know better than to keep anything like that from happening.

Just saying there's no one right way to do things and certainly no one right way that works in all environments. Learn how to shoot well in a static situation with a lot of different firearm mechanisms. Then learn a few stances and positions that provide good support. Then use the configurations that any given situation require. Don't slavishly follow a single style in all circumstances.

[chickenfried]

If that's how he turned his thumb to mush, Dude must've had a really long thumb to get it near the front of the cylinder!!!

You folks looking to slavishly follow the 'best' stances etc just better be damned careful or you'll wind up like that idiot young kid that took his IPSC-style offhand thumb up high and forward pose and used it shooting is shiny new S&W 500 revolver - and the jet of hot high-pressure gases venting out the cylinder gap promptly shredded the end of his thumb to the bone.
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[tankerman]

If that's how he turned his thumb to mush, Dude must've had a really long thumb to get it near the front of the cylinder!!!

Like this...

[JTROKS]

You know what they say about guys with long thumbs right?

[sirgiles]

omg, this discussion on the correct static stance is just downright funny bordering on ridiculous. i second rayra here.

[Sam]

You know what they say about guys with long thumbs right?

well we know his nose must be big, but what about his shoe size?

[rayra]

> Anyone heard of this type of injury with big caliber, 460 500, 480, revolvers before....?


There are good reasons why people take gun training/safety courses. If
> you have a weak stomach this might not be for you.
>
> ***WARNING GRAPHIC WARNING GRAPHIC WARNING GRAPHIC***
>

> This is how it was done:
>
> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...R/image002.jpg
>
> This is what got done:
>
> http://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php?...0&postcount=54
>
> Copied Narrative from an AR-15 forum:
>
> How NOT to hold a revolver!
> A St. Louis, Missouri guy on my AR-15 forum had a bad accident with his
> S&W 460XVR Magnum yesterday. He was shooting with a two handed hold and
> got his left thumb up near the lower front of the cylinder. The normal
> (powerful) gasses blowing out at the barrel/cylinder gap ripped the top
> of his left thumb off. I've added some of his posts & some pics.
>
> S&W 460XVR Magnum
> 460XVR blew my thumb off today!
> No joke, about 1/2 of my left thumb is gone ... what's left is a
> friggin mess.
>
> It's pretty hard to type, and I'm only posting because you never know,
> it might save somebody else a thumb. I was using a 2-handed grip, fired
> off a Cor-Bon DPX .460 and the blast came violently out the side of the
> gun.
> At first my thumb was so covered in blood that I couldn't see how bad
> it was ... and I was full of adrenaline and felt no pain. And honestly
> it looked really bad, my whole hand was covered in blood and it was
> kinda gushing.
>
> The blown-off thumb was on my support hand. I'll re-create the grip
> tomorrow to see where my thumb was, but it's not like I didn't already
> know not to get any body part near the cylinder gap. And even if I
> totally screwed up and did, taking my thumb clean off seems a bit
> excessive?
> Just be careful with those 460's. That case operates at such high
> pressure, it's just asking for trouble.
>
> BTW, I bought my 460 new and had exactly 12 rounds through it. Info
> about the gun, it's a full-size 460 with the 8 3/4' barrel and factory
> installed compensator. It's one of the Whitetails Unlimited models.
> Ammo was 200gr Cor-Bon DPX.
>
> The gun only had 12 or 13 rounds of the Cor-Bon through it, and 10 .45
> Long Colt rounds through it. So it was essentially still brand new.
> Saw a hand specialist while there today. Lots of ways to try and save
> what's left, but first I just have to hope it doesn't get infected in
> the next few days ... then surgery early next week.
> The hand specialist I spent a few hours with last night said that in
> gunshot wounds there is always a lot more damage than is first visible
> ... same with things like fireworks going off in your hand. A lot more
> flesh around the wound is dead, and will rot and fall off over the next
> couple days. That's why it's so important to keep clean, and that's
> also why they can't do surgery now. If they wrapped new skin over dead
> skin it would just puss out, possibly turn gang-green, and they'd have
> to start all over again.
> This is an example of how he was holding his revolver.
> Wrong, wrong, wrong!

[rayra]

You can see the pictures of his mutilated thumb, here, near the bottom o fthe page. It's particularly gruesome.

http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=289492

[NiteQwill]

You can see the pictures of his mutilated thumb, here, near the bottom o fthe page. It's particularly gruesome.

http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=289492

Reason #3458435098 I always tell myself, and those who are new to revolvers, to PUT YOUR DAMN THUMBS BACK!

I'm sure that gun learned a valuable lesson.

[tankerman]

Reason #3458435098 I always tell myself, and those who are new to revolvers, to PUT YOUR DAMN THUMBS BACK!

I'm sure that gun learned a valuable lesson.

Were you paying attention? The idiot was using the frame under the cylinder as a handle. That moron got what he asked for.

Remember there are idiots just like that guy at the range everytime you go shooting.

[JTROKS]

It pays to read the manual all the time. I like revolvers and I do own a coupe of 44 mags and a 454 Casull. I always wear gloves when shooting them because I injured my shooting hand's pinkie by gripping tight with the support hand and the recoil of a 300 grain hot load provided the force to tear a bit of skin and sprain it. I was also wearing a nugget ring on the supporting hand's ring finger. It was a bit bloody, but I didn't lose any flesh. That wasn't covered in the manual at all, so did I sue? I think we need to use that gray matter between our ears whenever guns or machinery is in use. How many times have you seen a guy at the range firing a 22lr rifle then switch to his magnum hunting rifle just to have the recoil tell him he needs to hold the rifle properly and put some distance between the eye and the scope? How many times do we hand a hard recoiling handgun to a noob and chuckle upon the recoil?
With that said I close with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYT_NlWVIsM&feature=PlayList&p=DCFE5C2BF4569FE0&index=39