polymer guns better than px4 storm full size

[Tokbug]

Dang, the PX4 has been a hot topic so far this month.
Maybe they will replace the CZ as the official Calguns counter (Glock) culture gun?

it's because we can't have it anymore (off roster) a mental thing i guess.
i own both a px4 and glock 23,the beretta is a lil "top heavy" in my opinion wich helps with follow up shots due to less muzzle flip,i enjoy shooting both equally.
i have yet to change the safety lever to a more flush ones.
just my 2 cents.

[CandG]

Why does everyone shoot groups so close? Your range probably goes to 25 yards.

I don't usually shoot my CCW pistols further than 10yds, because I'm never going to defend myself from further than that, so it's the distance I want to be trained for with those guns.

But for other handguns, I agree with you.

[cvigue]

Why does everyone shoot groups so close? Your range probably goes to 25 yards.

I do it because I'm mostly there for fun, and I like seeing where I'm hitting as I'm shooting. The 25yd line at LAX is poorly lit, although 20 is fine.

Outdoors I shoot out to 100yds, but not paper.

[CandG]

And with regards to "never going to defend myself further than (10yds)". Never say never. How long are the hallways at your child's school?

Sadly, if someone goes and shoots up my kid's school while I'm there, our governor has ensured that the only help I can provide is to hide in a corner and call 911.

Otherwise, I see your points about walmart and such. The problem is that at that distance with a compact CCW gun, my shots just look like buckshot on the paper, so it doesn't really tell me anything useful other than I need to tighten my groups "somehow". With the example 7yd target that cvigue posted above, it's easy to figure out where the error is.

But what does a 75ft target that looks like this tell you about what you need to fix?



Other than maybe you need to lay off the coffee before going to the range

[ACfixer]

Never say never. How long are the hallways at your child's school?

About the same length as the bridge on the Starship Enterprise? The likelihood of getting in a gunfight at your kid's school is about the same as being in outer space.

[CandG]

Might as well sell all your guns then and play Farmville, because the chance of you needing a firearm to defend yourself is infinitesimally low, particularly if you keep your nose clean.

Because the only reason to get better at shooting is to defend yourself, otherwise shooting is boring and so let's just practice the minimum.

To me, shooting my subcompacts at 25yds really IS boring, because I'm admittedly not good enough that my shots go precisely where I want them at that distance, with those guns. Frankly, very few people are (although everyone on calguns is ). I have more fun shooting them at 10yds. Combined with the fact that I don't realistically see any scenarios where I would be shooting someone from 75ft away, 10yds is what I shoot for my CCW guns.

That said, notice I keep saying "subcompacts" and "CCW".

I do enjoy shooting other handguns at 25yds or more.

[CandG]

A Glock 19 isn't a subcompact.

You get better by practicing. But I understand some people want to go to the range for validation, not improvement.

And what better way for me to seek validation than by self-deprecating my own 25yd shooting abilities You got me.

(side note, I don't CCW a g19, I think you're mixing me up with cvigue)

I can't improve myself when I'm shooting from so far away that my point of impact is all over the place.

When my groups at 10yds get so tight that it's not a challenge anymore, then I'll go to 15, and so on. But going straight into 25 yards right now will provide zero useful information to me for improving my shooting.

Why don't you post a target with a pocket .380 or something similar from 75ft and tell us what your grouping teaches us about what exactly you could improve. I'll venture a guess that your target, too, would look like someone blasted it with a 12ga and be of very little educational value to anyone.



It's like, "Hmmm, yes, looking at this target I can immediately tell that I'm anticipating recoil causing the pistol to pull left slightly

[cvigue]

Increased distance from target magnifies shooting errors, so they're easier to identify.

Or I reckon a feller could just look closer and shoot at a smaller spot.

I can tell I'm jerking once in a while (low flyer) and I have a right bias I need to determine if it's me or the pistol. Maybe once I get those sorted I'll back it up to 15yds and try again.

But I'm having fun in the meantime.

[Maximus924]

Might as well sell all your guns then and play Farmville, because the chance of you needing a firearm to defend yourself is infinitesimally low, particularly if you keep your nose clean.

Because the only reason to get better at shooting is to defend yourself, otherwise shooting is boring and so let's just practice the minimum.

Wow. either there is some hyperbole in that response or your just an unpleasant person.

I shoot my guns because they are fun. I also dont think I will ever be in a hallway shootout at my kids school. EVER... and I am not selling my guns because of that.

relax.

[orangeusa]

How many PX4 haters actually have shot one? I own one in 40S&W, and the only 40S&W I shoot better is my USP40, My glock is great (and I recommend everyone own one in their chosen caliber) but the PX4's rotating barrel does have a more controllable recoil. Mine is a "G" though, not a "F" - No safety on the "G". Just a decocker (which is great to have with the hammer fire sidearms...)
The double action trigger is long but predictable, the single action trigger is great imho.

I would choose my HK USP40 over my PX4, but if cost was somehow identical I would get the storm over a glock. Glock was more affordable so I ended up getting a glock before the PX4, but glad I own both.

Best 40 cal gun I have ever shot.

[orangeusa]

You can't speel Beretta.

The anti-Glock CZ fan girls have been working overtime to malign the most popular gun in the world, because clearly the world is wrong and only they know better...


Nothing especially wrong with the PX4, but it has little to recommend it.

Reduced recoil in .40? Who cares, .40 is an increasingly unpopular caliber and a lousy reason to buy any pistol.

If you are a berreta fan and don't care about aftermarket support, the PX4 may be for you...


So many very good full size 9mm's out there that I would consider before the PX4 or even the much vaunted 92F.

[cvigue]

If I was buying a polymer gun and I could get any one, and I didn't have a bunch of holsters and so on, etc, I'd be getting a FNX-9, but that's not on the CA roster.

Once I'm back in America, I'll likely get an FNX-9, an FNX-45, and probably a Sig 320.

[cvigue]

New thread to discuss the folly of shooting at 8 yards.

[Euphoria526]

I like the px4. Nice funky lookin little gun, with some great recoil management from the rotating barrel.
But my vote goes for czp09.