Pistol Red Dot Users Step On In Here

[anonymous308]

I recently added an RMR06 to my Glock 17. It was professionally done; slide milled, suppressor height sights the whole 9 yards.

I have been to the range on 3 separate occasions since I got it back and have about 750 rounds through it. It runs great, looks great, BUT.... I cannot seem to hit the broad side of a barn with it.

No matter what distance I shoot from I am all over the place with it. I haven't even played around with the zero on it because I have no idea what adjustment (if any) I need to make. Some shots are high, some are low, some are left and some are right. Pretty much everywhere but where I am intending to hit.

I have tried one eye open as well as both. I have also tried cowitness with the irons and not cowitnessing. Nothing seems to make a difference.

Frustrated and wondering if I just suck all of a sudden I picked up my Sig P226 and shot 20 rounds into one ragged hole from 7 yards.


What gives? What am I missing? I would like to get this thing dialed so I can stop wasting ammo.

Any advice? I am new to pistol optics and so far not impressed.

[TacopsDep417]

Sorry to hear your unfortunate events. Sounds like a defect when they were cutting your slide for the RMR and everything is thrown off alignment. I can give you $400 cash for the whole set up and take the problem off your hand.

[smak28]

Where are you located? Have you tried shooting by using your suppressor sights instead of The red dot?

[anonymous308]

Sorry to hear your unfortunate events. Sounds like a defect when they were cutting your slide for the RMR and everything is thrown off alignment. I can give you $400 cash for the whole set up and take the problem off your hand.

That is very generous of you but I would not feel right. Although, it was pretty accurate when I chucked the whole set up at the target.

[anonymous308]

Where are you located? Have you tried shooting by using your suppressor sights instead of The red dot?

I am in the Inland Empire. I did, albeit not a lot. It did seem to be an improvement over using the dot.

[elSquid]

Barring a mechanical issue...

My guess is that seeing everything clearly in the same focal plane had lead you into trying to force shots when the dot is centered, when you should be trusting your wobble zone and practicing good trigger control.

Next time you are at the range, worry less about having a perfect sight picture and more about manipulating the trigger properly.

-- Michael

[anonymous308]

Barring a mechanical issue...

My guess is that seeing everything clearly in the same focal plane had lead you into trying to force shots when the dot is centered, when you should be trusting your wobble zone and practicing good trigger control.

Next time you are at the range, worry less about having a perfect sight picture and more about manipulating the trigger properly.

-- Michael

I think you are on to something here.

Thank you for the input.

[smak28]

I am in the Inland Empire. I did, albeit not a lot. It did seem to be an improvement over using the dot.

You're not near me, so we can't meet up. Shoot with just your suppressor sights and see if you still get a ragged hole. If you do, then your pistol is fine. If you don't, maybe you haven't yet learned the trigger fundamentals of shooting. Here's a link on how to zero in on red dot, although this is a rifle, but same concept.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0ahUKEwjAl4SMlJHTAhUQymMKHRjnCsgQwqsBCCIwAg&url=https%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLyCRHjz0eU8&usg=AFQjCNHZ9UmsxWeKNT3zIkRJpoSEwmdUjQ

[AGFNTB]

Since you have suppressor sights I assume you can co-witness. If so, turn off the dot or remove the RMR. Shoot iron sights only to see if the iron sights are aligned. If they are aligned, you should be able to hold the gun the same way, line up the irons, and adjust the dot to the irons.

[anonymous308]

You're not near me, so we can't meet up. Shoot with just your suppressor sights and see if you still get a ragged hole. If you do, then your pistol is fine. If you don't, maybe you haven't yet learned the trigger fundamentals of shooting. Here's a link on how to zero in on red dot, although this is a rifle, but same concept.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...IkRJpoSEwmdUjQ

Since you have suppressor sights I assume you can co-witness. If so, turn off the dot or remove the RMR. Shoot iron sights only to see if the iron sights are aligned. If they are aligned, you should be able to hold the gun the same way, line up the irons, and adjust the dot to the irons.

Good Call. I will do this next trip out.

On another note. When they pull the stock sights and add the suppressor height sights how do they ensure the rear dovetail is lined up correctly? Or do they?

[smak28]

Good Call. I will do this next trip out.

On another note. When they pull the stock sights and add the suppressor height sights how do they ensure the rear dovetail is lined up correctly? Or do they?

They should eye ball and align the sights. It may not be perfect but it should be close. However if you have trigger discipline and fundamentals, you should still shoot ragged holes aiming at the bullseye. If your ragged hole is not on bullseye and is slightly off the bullseye, then the sights need adjustment to center it.

[MosinVirus]

I am kind of surprised you didn't start with iron sights.

That should have been done first if you are not used to using the red dot. Also, since it cowitnesses with irons, zeroing the dot once the sights are on is literally moving the dot to the spot on the alignment line of the sights...

Have you shot the pistol before the work was done?

[ojisan]

Always try to get a good bench rest set-up and get everything sighted in first.
Eliminate as much of the shooter variable as possible when doing this.

Then, accept that the dot will wobble when shooting off hand.
Hold it as still as you can and continue with trigger pull fundamentals.

[IVC]

What am I missing?

The target. Har, har...

On a more serious note, try to shoot from a rest. Rest the hands/bottom of the gun, not the barrel. Shoot three shots at a time without correcting anything, just trying to have exactly the same aim and trigger pull.

If you get good groups, adjust sights to shift groups to your point of aim. If you don't have good groups, get someone else to shoot. If nobody can get good groups, your sights might be loose.

EDIT: ojisan beat me to it.

[aplus1234]

Sounds like it's not zeroed correctly. Get yourself a laser boresight. Use the borsight to dial in the zero. From my experience, the boresight will get you very close to the zero. Once you are close, dial it in further by shooting from bench rest.

You can also use it to verify that your supressor sights are zeroed. They might be off too.