HK VP9

[DNA]

Indeed. This thread just got interesting.

Dan

[calif 15-22]

Simple....
Fresno Rifle Pistol Range.
$100 cash is what I offer for you to demonstrate your stated proficiency with a VP9.
I'm a member there. I will cover your range fees.

I will allow a reasonable warm up.

Shoot that kinds of groups you suggest you can and I will come on this forum and say I was wrong and that you are simply the best off hand pistol shooter I have ever seen.
If you can't do it you simply remove your images suggesting you can, even on the one you have for sale at $1950.

I see you know my last name.... Good. If that helps you feel more comfortable.
Stalk much?.........

I've seen literally hundreds of posts of pictures of groupings and target pics and have yet to question a single one. In fact I have yet to see anyone question any of them.

If a guy posts a pic of his outing at the range, I take it at face value. Why would I need him to prove anything. If a fellow Calgunner says "I have a 1911 that shoots 1/2 MOA at 100yrds, with the sun in my eyes, during a solar eclipse, with a 60mph cross wind, off handed, on a Tuesday" I say "well done"

But hey, that's just me.

[GlockN'Roll]

This June we are going to a "pistol shootout": VP9 vs P320 vs Glock 19 vs CZ-P-10c vs FNS long slide

So are you going to register as a Vendor or just spam CG with your promotional posts?

[calif 15-22]

Looks like it brings out the storytellers also....

Simple....
Fresno Rifle Pistol Range.
$100 cash is what I offer for you to demonstrate your stated proficiency with a VP9.
I'm a member there. I will cover your range fees.

I will allow a reasonable warm up.

Shoot that kinds of groups you suggest you can and I will come on this forum and say I was wrong and that you are simply the best off hand pistol shooter I have ever seen.
If you can't do it you simply remove your images suggesting you can, even on the one you have for sale at $1950.

I see you know my last name.... Good. If that helps you feel more comfortable.
Stalk much?.........

In my experience, the HK VP9 is the finest modern polymer 'high capacity' 9mm pistol striker fired pistol. HK did their homework on this pistol before launching it into the market that is flooded with wonder 9s.

The ergonomics are to many people's liking and it's very intuitive in terms of shooting accuracy.

Off hand, it was easy for me to keep a box of handloads inside the black at 25yrds.

DD

Matt just to be clear, I don't think DD said he shot that group "off handed" as in with the non-dominate hand. I believe he was using the term "off hand" as in "by the way". As in "By the way, it was easy for me with hand loads . . . ".

"off hand" is often used as a replacement for "by the way".

DD can correct me if I'm wrong.

[crufflers]

Shoot that kinds of groups you suggest you can and I will come on this forum and say I was wrong and that you are simply the best off hand pistol shooter I have ever seen.
If you can't do it you simply remove your images suggesting you can, even on the one you have for sale at $1950.

I see you know my last name.... Good. If that helps you feel more comfortable.
Stalk much?.........

Do these types of challenge events ever actually happen? I've never seen it where someone doesn't back out.

Matt, so you are saying that he stalked out your last name here our somewhere else on the Internets? That is pretty passive aggressively creepy. You never know, he might show up and claim that $100. He shoots just as well at 25 yards with other pistols he has for sale and has decent taste in movies.

[Tere_Hanges]

What happens when one party thinks they were wronged and the other party wont pay? Fist fight? Gun fight? Both go home and make voodoo dolls? Pissing contests based on anonymous internet posts are pathetic.

[tanks]

Matt just to be clear, I don't think DD said he shot that group "off handed" as in with the non-dominate hand. I believe he was using the term "off hand" as in "by the way". As in "By the way, it was easy for me with hand loads . . . ".

"off hand" is often used as a replacement for "by the way".

DD can correct me if I'm wrong.

I take off hand meaning as unsupported, or freehand. That's why I don't see an issue with DD keeping the rounds in the black at 25 yards.

[calif 15-22]

I take off hand meaning as unsupported, or freehand. That's why I don't see an issue with DD keeping the rounds in the black at 25 yards.

I hadn't thought of that, but that makes perfect sense.

[crufflers]

I take off hand meaning as unsupported, or freehand. That's why I don't see an issue with DD keeping the rounds in the black at 25 yards.

That's what I assumed. Shooting while standing off the hands, not a rest. Two-handed grip.

[Matt P]

I've seen literally hundreds of posts of pictures of groupings and target pics and have yet to question a single one. In fact I have yet to see anyone question any of them.

But hey, that's just me.

My apologies to you good sir for having a different standard on what I choose to question.

If you shoot enough there is no misunderstanding what off hand means. Not support hand.

tanks... could YOU shoot basically 30 rounds into one area to where a quarter (Under an 1") could cover it at 25 yards and do this off hand?

I had no issue with dd prior to this. But, I absolutely have called out other members when I have come across outrageous claims regarding handgun accuracy.
Yes this is the internet and I am pathetic.... I'm okay with that. I have nothing to prove.

What happens when one party thinks they were wronged and the other party wont pay? Fist fight? Gun fight? Both go home and make voodoo dolls? Pissing contests based on anonymous internet posts are pathetic.

That was very funny........Seriously great post.

BTW, I will absolutely pay. Fortunately we already have an image of the standard. I am very reasonable. As long as it looks similar to me I am good. I will leave my calipers at home..... hahaha.. I am actually not that fired up over this.

[crufflers]

I had no issue with dd prior to this. But, I absolutely have called out other members when I have come across outrageous claims regarding handgun accuracy.

I don't care how many hands he uses, as long as he's standing. I'd love to see a phone video of similar groups at 25 yards with a regular old pistol like a VP9 or even a P7. Should be easily repeatable when a buddy is there. Everyone has a phone that does video.

For the doubters, just get a shot of the new target making its way all the way downrange - assuming an indoor 25 yard range. Then the shots and the retrieval. We'd get to see technique and speed, etc... it'd be interesting and informative. I don't see a reason for DD not to post one. Please do.

[Saym14]

Before everyone keeps piling on maybe we should define offhand for this conversation. Shooting a rifle offhand means unsupported… To me shooting a pistol offhand being unsupported. To some people they believe offhand means using your weak handbut I believe this is incorrect as of course the proper term is what I just used… Weak Hand . And of course shooting with one hand means shooting with one hand . So I believe the proper definition of shooting offhand means unsupported and that is all If I am shooting off hand at 25 yards I am using both hands and unsupported by anything else

[crufflers]

If I am shooting off hand at 25 yards I am using both hands and unsupported by anything else

Yup.

[calif 15-22]

For the doubters, just get a shot of the new target making its way all the way downrange - assuming an indoor 25 yard range. Then the shots and the retrieval. We'd get to see technique and speed, etc... it'd be interesting and informative. I don't see a reason for DD not to post one. Please do.

For you old timers what did you guys do before Cell Phones and Videos? If a guy came into a gun store with a target and a date written on it?

Curious when did society become so jaded that we can't take someone's word for it . . . .And for that matter care if it is embellished.

How many fish stories have we all heard.
How many "she was so fine" stories.
How many "Beat that car by a country mile".

Somehow if it's guns we need video. What's next forensic to make sure it wasn't faked or green screened?

Call me old fashion I'll take his word for it and say "great shooting"

[crufflers]

For you old timers what did you guys do before Cell Phones and Videos? If a guy came into a gun store with a target and a date written on it?

I'm not that old but I do know that doubting someone's range estimation has been pretty common in LGS's for ages.