80% Glock Build Legality?

[Mr. Torgue]

I've had a few paid consults with firearms attorneys on this matter.

1) you're good to go if you build a single shot bolt action with the required barrel length

2) don't build the pf940 (glock 17) frame unless you want to cut your own notch and epoxy a plate into the frame. Build the pf940c (glock 19 instead) since it has a plate in it already. The 3.7oz embedded stainless requirement will kick in next summer, so do your polymer handgUn builds now, get it engraved, and you won't have to worry about the extra weight or DOJ registration

3) it's highly unlikely the definition of manufacture in ab857 includes every time you take your gun apart to clean it. The definition was worded that way to include potential builds that didn't require fabrication such as milling. There is a case in another district that follows a more strict definition, but california law doesn't fit well in that regard. A great example of this is how you can't convert an AR rifle to AR pistol in California but you can in other states.

I thought the rifle to pistol issue fell under federal laws and the NFA due to SBRs?

[Cokebottle]

There seems to be people in this thread saying it's impossible to put 3.7 oz of steel in a glock frame.


Wouldn't it be trivial to just put it on the accessory rail, then permanently affix it with epoxy and then pinned/welded?

The law requires that the frame be manufactured to include it, in a way that removal would destroy the frame.

Epoxying a block of stainless to the rail is neither.


The problem is, once again, the idiots in Sacramento mis-reading Federal law.

BATFE requires that the frame be manufactured with a stainless plate upon which to engrave the SN.
BATFE requires that the COMPLETED firearm be composed of at least 3.7oz of metal.

The 2nd requirement is to ensure detection by metal detectors.

So an 80% lower can easily be manufactured to meet BATFE requirements, but it is impossible to manufacture even an AR lower to meet the California requirement.

[Andersonmatt1125]

Well I was thinking of also drilling, pinning and welding that plate into the accessory rail, not just depending on epoxy.

If you do it before the 80% is finished, wouldn't that comply?


Also, what is determining the location of the sn?

[Cokebottle]

So you're going to build a Glock copy with a huge chunk of stainless attached to the frame that you're going to have to register anyways?

Why?

[Andersonmatt1125]

I think I'm probably underestimating what 3.7 oz of stainless is

[Cokebottle]

I think I'm probably underestimating what 3.7 oz of stainless is

As mentioned above, 1/4" thick would be 2"x2" or 1"x4"
1/2" thick would still be 1"x2"

And attached to the frame on the rail, no matter how it is secured, would most likely not be legal anyways.

[protohyp]

So you're going to build a Glock copy with a huge chunk of stainless attached to the frame that you're going to have to register anyways?

Why?

A frame that is already undercut on the trigger and in some cases pre textured or already sanded down so you can stipple yourself. Not to mention a full picattiny rail vs the single slot? Why not?


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[obpwankel]

What about criminals that cant have firearms to begin with get their hands on one and build it?

I know a guy who can not posses firearms and he has already 3 build with an ar15. It bugs me so much.

[Cokebottle]

What about criminals that cant have firearms to begin with get their hands on one and build it?

I know a guy who can not posses firearms and he has already 3 build with an ar15. It bugs me so much.

It's a felony, and people like him are exactly why DeLeon wrote the law to ban them.

Except it won't make a difference... criminals will still buy and build them.

[MosinVirus]

Does anyone else think that the 80% market wouldn't be as big as it is if CA and other stupid gun control nazi states didn't have as many restrictions as they do?

Gun control created the market, so in a very direct way the anti-gun dumbasses put potentially more guns into the hands of prohibited people.

I, for one, would never buy an 80% pistol frame if I could buy a 100% pistol frame from a reputable manufacturer.

But what do you expect from the socialists? Of course they prefer "control"... Keep the people afraid, dumb and poor. Then the people need the government. And before you come back with a "we are not dumb" comment, I mean leftists... The ones that support the very government I am talking about.

[sffred]

Does anyone else think that the 80% market would be as big as it is if CA and other stupid gun control nazi states didn't have as many restrictions as they do?

Gun control created the market, so in a very direct way the anti-gun dumbasses put potentially more guns into the hands of prohibited people.

I, for one, would never buy an 80% pistol frame if I could buy a 100% pistol frame from a reputable manufacturer.

But what do you expect from the socialists? Of course they prefer "control"... Keep the people afraid, dumb and poor. Then the people need the government. And before you come back with a "we are not dumb" comment, I mean leftists... The ones that support the very government I am talking about.

Well said!

[Regdog77]

So it seems the poly80 g17 frame I purchased earlier this year that is complete is now just a piece of plastic. I've been looking all over for a work around and a way to comply so could purchase a g34 slide for it. Are some of you still building pf940 frames?

[Capt Jack]

Any updates on this?

[Cokebottle]

Break-top single shot bolt action.
No longer legal as of 2017 to convert to semi-automatic.