Dry Laser Training

[krb]

[micro911]

I did it at the FBI office. It tracked every minute movement of my muzzle from initial aim until when the trigger breaks and after. It was an interesting experience, but regular dry fire on a dot on the wall can help, too.

[billyremo]

This seems like a great way in practicing your trigger control!

[BB1776]

I have one and it has helped me immensely. I don't mind cocking the hammer for each shot. Some people say that it takes your eye off of the sights to look where it hit, which is a bad habit to develop. All I know is that I am way better at the range after practicing with it and it is fun as hell to "shoot" stuff around the house.

[krb]

Hi, BB.
Which system did you use? I'm thinking of buying the system I mentioned above - probably around $4-500 all in. More than just buying the magic bullet but I like the idea of shooting multiple targets without recocking.

[krb]

Hi again. Micro911 - which system did you use? I was looking at lasrapp (below) which it looks like will be 4-500 with gun and software.
Keith

https://lasrapp.com/

[RandyD]

Many olympic smallbore shooters used the SCATT system. I used one about 15 years ago and it helped my shooting. It actually gives you more data to analyze than actually shooting. I highly recommend the SCATT system, and the newer version SCATT MX-02 is even better and more simple than the prior versions.

[BB1776]

Krb- I have a laserlyte. The target looks cool but I would rather spend the dough on real ammo for now...

[dwtt]

I use a laser cartridge in my handgun for dry firing and it has helped me see where the gun is pointing when the hammer falls. Before buying the laser, I just dry fired with the sights on the center of the target and things looked fine. After getting the laser cartridge and using software to record where the laser spots were landing, I realized I wasn't so consistent and the point of impact was moving around a bit. Get the software like sharpspotter or one of the commercial software that records where the laser spots land and you will be able to go back and compare where the shots would have landed and where you thought you had the sights on. There are some people saying the laser dry firing is bad because it's not the "proper" way to dry fire, but I ignore those people since I can nw see what I need to improve with the help of the laser and recording software.

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

I have the LASR (lasrapp.com) system. The software works pretty well, but I'm not impressed with the training pistol. The trigger pull is nothing like any real firearm I've ever fired, and despite the owner's assurances to the contrary could not be adjusted to come close to even a factory Glock. Worst of all, the laser isn't momentary. It's on whenever the trigger is pressed. That means that the LASR training pistol can't be used with more sophisticated training system as it registers as repeated hits before the user can release the trigger.

Bottom line; get the software, but don't waste your money on the LASR training pistol. Dry training with a laser is good training, just not with the LASR pistol.

[krb]

Hi RandyD.
I looked up the SCATT system. It looks amazing. I decided to buy it. But they didn’t list a price. So I googled it. It’s OVER A GRAND! I would like to practice dry fire and it looks absolutely amazing and I’m sure I would improve more with that than with anything else but ... a GRAND? Does anyone else have experience with that?

I like the LASRAPP but because my handgun won’t recycle the trigger, I’d either have to pull the hammer back every time (and if I’m going to practice I’d like to practice against multiple targets), or get the SIRT gun which I’m afraid might not feel like a real gun and thus I’d be practicing artificial technique.

Any other comments on the SIRT gun? SCATT?

Thanks!
Keith

[krb]

Just rechecked ... $1700!

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

Are you referring to the SIRT Pistol? If so, there is a switch on the top of the slide that makes the Laser momentary. The mode you are referring to is a diagnostic tool to record movement as the trigger is pressed.

Yes, I am; I'm referring to the SIRT training pistol by Next Level Training as sold to me by LASR. What you say is NOT the case on my training pistol. All the switch does is enable or disable the secondary laser which is energized when the trigger slack is taken up. No matter which position the switch is in, the primary laser is on as long as the trigger is held back. That is what I mean when I say "isn't momentary". To be a fully effective training tool when combined with the software that LASR sells, the laser should only come on momentarily when the trigger is pressed as their (LASR's) software registers multiple hits unless the trigger is released very quickly, which can build bad trigger manipulation skills. In addition, some other training systems can't be used with the SIRT pistol for the same reason.

Had I been made aware of this by the folks in the LASR booth at last year's SHOT Show, I would have still bought their software, but could have spent less money on a Laserlyte pistol, which does energize the laser momentarily. That's my only gripe with the LASR or SIRT.

Yes, I have it on the desk beside me right now as I type this and have confirmed both modes. Perhaps you have or are referring to a different version.

[rtadlock]

I have the laser lyte and it did really help. I put an orange dot sticker on my glock case and set it at the desired distance. I pointed my ipad at it and started recording video of the dot then I say "go" and draw and fire. I do this 10 times then go back and watch the video and use the stopwatch on my phone to see how long it takes from when I say go to when I see the laser hit. Then I delete the video and start over. This cut about 20 seconds off my time when I first started IDPA and increased my first shot accuracy.

Also has helped for longer distance shooting just practicing without the draw and putting the target farther away.

[micro911]

Hi again. Micro911 - which system did you use? I was looking at lasrapp (below) which it looks like will be 4-500 with gun and software.
Keith

https://lasrapp.com/

I don't know what system it was. I went to their office off 405 fwy in Westwood and used the system as they asked me if I wanted to try it. I would not say no to an opportunity.