Wolf .45 ACP?

[chickenfried]

The only wolf ammo I've bought is the .22 lr stuff. But Trempel had a moving sale and I couldn't resist the price. Finally tried it out today and it worked great in my 1911, except for the funny smell.

Went online to check out some prices. Even with the recent walmart price increases, Wolf steel cased .45 seems more expensive than Winchester White Box I don't get it, why buy wolf?

[Kestryll]

I bought some of the Wolf steel cased .45 ACP to shoot up at Angeles. After the second magazine I started having FTF jams. I looked in at the ramp on the frame, there were nice little gouges dug into it.
apperently the case mouth was a bit thick and was hitting the ramp on the way into the chamber. Steel on steel under spring pressure is bad.
I'm not sure who to be mad at for it, the gun manufacturer for not using harder steel, Wolf for making lousy QC'd ammo or myself for cheaping out and getting discount ammo!

Of course it still beat the range reloads i got at one indoor range. One round was too long in OAL to chamber and one the bullet had been seated so far back it looked like the intake on an SR-71!

Stick with WWB.

[chickenfried]

100 trouble free rounds today and no scrounging around on the floor for every last piece of brass . We'll see how I fair with the other 400. But man it smells funky, even worse than aguila.

[JHC]

Wait til you see what it does to your extractor, the wolf wore the tip down on mine in 300 rounds

[zefflyn]

And if it's the laquer-coated steel cased, make sure you clean your chamber out really well. When firing, the laquer can melt, and coat your chamber. A few layers of that, and your chamber will be too small.

[bwiese]

And if it's the laquer-coated steel cased, make sure you clean your chamber out really well. When firing, the laquer can melt, and coat your chamber. A few layers of that, and your chamber will be too small.

Nahh, urban legend.

Several years ago some guys on AR15-L mailing list tried to heat up spent cases with a blowtorch and no residue plated out.

Wolf is just a bit dirtier in the powder (likely due to anticorrosives). Steel case doesn't expand as much so some blows back into area btwn chamber and case.

[bountyhunter]

Steel on steel under spring pressure is bad.

Stick with WWB.

Yep, and that applies to extractors as well.

Commie ammo is made for commie guns......

[bountyhunter]

Nahh, urban legend.

Really? Olympic Arms (manufacturer of AR-15's) went so far as to put a warning on their website that the use of Wolf ammo would void the warranty because they were not going to replace any more receivers siezed up with dried lacquer. They called out Wolf ammo by name.

Wolf changed from the lacquer eventually, but it's damage to guns was hardly an urban myth.

just ask Oly Arms.

[chickenfried]

Well too bad the experiment has to end at 354 trouble free rounds without a cleaning. The kimber thumb safety + thin grips, is hurting a spot on my thumb. I can't take it no more. Have to take apart the gun and fiddle with the safety.

A while ago, I was in the middle of seeing how many rounds I could put through the Kimber without cleaning it. But I decided to install a new mainspring housing at ~400 rounds. Well I'm not going to have the gun apart and not do a a thourogh clean and lube. Next range trip I had a jam

[bwiese]

Really? Olympic Arms (manufacturer of AR-15's) went so far as to put a warning on their website that the use of Wolf ammo would void the warranty because they were not going to replace any more receivers siezed up with dried lacquer. They called out Wolf ammo by name.

Wolf changed from the lacquer eventually, but it's damage to guns was hardly an urban myth.

just ask Oly Arms.

Oly Arms isn't really a vendor to be trusted. Many of us consider them a "bottom feeder" AR vendor not much different than Model1, Sherluk Mktg, M&A Parts, etc. In addition, they have a history of blaming others for their problems - read what Gunplumber at Ariz Response Systems said about their FAL clone a customer sent to him for evaluation, and Oly's response to him about his comments.

Plus, things at Oly really went downhill after Tom Spithaler took over from Corey Sattler.

Oly had such a problem with over-tight and rough chambers - they're not chrome lined - that they had to blame someone else. I've had to help debug a high number of Oly rifles/uppers at local ranges over the past 7-8 years - even after lubrication/mag/ammo issues are resolved.

I've fired thousands of rounds of Wolf & Barnaul & Tula ammo out of my ARs (Colt & Bushy chromed bbls) with no problems.

Wolf has soft steel cases that don't expand like brass - so combustion gases blow back btwn case & chamber a bit more than w/regular ammo and it gets a bit dirtier.

The person doing the testing of the 'varnish' on Wolf ammo is a respected highly knowledgable AR15-L member who's technically very knowledgable. I'll take his word over Oly's *any* day.

While Wolf ammo ain't the most accurate, it always goes bang. I'll take it over other cheap brands of import 223/5.56 ammo, including Sellier & Bellot, Radway Green (Brit de-energized for SA80 junk rifles) or Olympic (Greek ammo, unrelated to Oly Arms).

Bottom line, Wolf ammo is generally better quality than most Oly Arms rifles.

[-hanko]

Oly Arms isn't really a vendor to be trusted. Many of us consider them a "bottom feeder" AR vendor not much different than Model1, Sherluk Mktg, M&A Parts, etc. In addition, they have a history of blaming others for their problems - read what Gunplumber at Ariz Response Systems said about their FAL clone a customer sent to him for evaluation, and Oly's response to him about his comments.

Plus, things at Oly really went downhill after Tom Spithaler took over from Corey Sattler.

Oly had such a problem with over-tight and rough chambers - they're not chrome lined - that they had to blame someone else. I've had to help debug a high number of Oly rifles/uppers at local ranges over the past 7-8 years - even after lubrication/mag/ammo issues are resolved.

I've fired thousands of rounds of Wolf & Barnaul & Tula ammo out of my ARs (Colt & Bushy chromed bbls) with no problems.

Wolf has soft steel cases that don't expand like brass - so combustion gases blow back btwn case & chamber a bit more than w/regular ammo and it gets a bit dirtier.

The person doing the testing of the 'varnish' on Wolf ammo is a respected highly knowledgable AR15-L member who's technically very knowledgable. I'll take his word over Oly's *any* day.

While Wolf ammo ain't the most accurate, it always goes bang. I'll take it over other cheap brands of import 223/5.56 ammo, including Sellier & Bellot, Radway Green (Brit de-energized for SA80 junk rifles) or Olympic (Greek ammo, unrelated to Oly Arms).

Bottom line, Wolf ammo is generally better quality than most Oly Arms rifles.

+1 re: Oly. It's ok if you know they're bottom feeders. My prob w/ them is they make mistakes (e.g., recommending their match chamber and then saying not to use military ammo when customers call about failures to feed...stupid in an AR).

Agree definitely as to Corey / Tom (who's the cheif shape changer).

+1 on Wolf, I also shoot a bunch of it.

-1 on Radway Green, I don't chrono it that much slower (100 fps or so) than XM193

-hanko

[bwiese]

-1 on Radway Green, I don't chrono it that much slower (100 fps or so) than XM193

-hanko

Maybe I'm confusing that with the 'green bag' Royal Ordnance/British Aerospace- marked SS109 ammo that's been mis-sold for years at gunshows as "AP" ammo...

[Nefarious]

I normally dont buy wolf ammo, but I was in a bind and needed to pick up some .45 before tomorrow. Picked up a couple boxes of Wolf steel cased - Had I not needed some cheap plinking .45 NOW ... I wouldnt have picked it up - and now I see this thread

[xenophobe]

While Wolf ammo ain't the most accurate, it always goes bang. I'll take it over other cheap brands of import 223/5.56 ammo, including Sellier & Bellot, Radway Green (Brit de-energized for SA80 junk rifles) or Olympic (Greek ammo, unrelated to Oly Arms).

Wow... the RG is downloaded for the Enfields, but it sure in the hell is better ammo than Wolf, any day of the week. Wolf isn't full power either, and a LOT more people experience problems, even with high end guns for me to trust using it. RG uses better components than Wolf, which doesn't even meet Russian spec. Remember, most of Wolf's early ammo was just Russian Army ammunition that failed QC and the current Wolf spec ammo is notoriously inconsistent from batch to batch...

[wuhungsix]

I have had mixed results in the past. I bought 1000 rds of Wolf .45 ACP that were pakaged in two 500 rd lots. The first 500 rd lot fucntioned 100%. The second lot had FTF after FTF. All rounds were laquer coated and slow fired through a Glock 21. Never had problems with a gummed up chamber due to laquer.