Can you make an AR Pistol featureless?

[bubbapug1]

I made 3 AR pistols back in the old days using 80% lowers. I'd sure like to keep them. Anyway an AR Pistol can be featureless? Hammerhead grip seems to fit the bill. Also, mine all have muzzle brakes. What am I missing??

[E Michael]

nope

[E Michael]

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf

[seabee1]

nope, but you don't have to
text of SB880...

(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
(b) For purposes of this section, “fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.

the key here is (4)

have a fixed magazine

[Dumas1012]

No such thing as an AR or AK pistol

[bubbapug1]

I don't get it. So an AR pistol won't be an AW? Or can't be made featureless?

Thanks for not answering the question.

[biglou]

From how I read it if it's a fixed mag and you have to open the action to reload, then why can't you have it ?

[LeadFarmer74]

I don't get it. So an AR pistol won't be an AW? Or can't be made featureless?

Thanks for not answering the question.

A AR pistol can never be made featureless. That's because as posted above look at 4(b). Since you can't get rid of the feature it can't become featureless. You can make it fixed mag just as many people here have done.

[CSACANNONEER]

Yes, an AR pistol can legally be made into a featureless RIFLE.

[SkyHawk]

nope, but you don't have to
text of SB880...

(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
(b) For purposes of this section, “fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.

the key here is (4)

have a fixed magazine

But didn't they also redefine what a fixed magazine is - such that a bullet button no longer qualifies? So you'll need BB 2.0 or register it as AW?

Anyhow, the main reason an AR pistol can't be featureless is (D) - it accepts a magazine outside the pistol grip. So even if you got rid of the threads on the barrel, second handgrip etc - it is still AW with a removable magazine because the magazine is outside the grip.

[drkphibr]

this is one way to solve your problem...

http://franklin-armory.myshopify.com/products/franklin-armory-10-round-dfm

[E Michael]

I don't get it. So an AR pistol won't be an AW? Or can't be made featureless?

Thanks for not answering the question.

I'm sorry i thought i answered your question. No an AR pistol can not be made featurless because it has a mag outside the grip. You can make it into a featurless rifle but once you do that it can never go back to being a pistol. If you do that with all your AR pistols and still possess the upper of an AR pistol you can get popped with intent to make an SBR or short barreled rifle. That is how i understand it. If you are trying to ask if the gov will know you have AR pistols if you don't register them and will you get in trouble.... well meh is everyone destroying their30 rounders?

[Euphoria526]

this is one way to solve your problem...

http://franklin-armory.myshopify.com...y-10-round-dfm

Won't this make it featureless?
Just get an afg instead of a vertical grip. It has no stock. Take off flash hider. Boom gtg.






*i am not a lawyer. This is an opinion and interpretation

[bubbapug1]

Sorry, you did answer the question. Apples new upgrade...can't see what your typing on Calguns.

I'll register them and ship them out of state.

[seabee1]

Won't this make it featureless?
Just get an afg instead of a vertical grip. It has no stock. Take off flash hider. Boom gtg.






*i am not a lawyer. This is an opinion and interpretation

are we looking at the same link? it's a magazine, that goes in through the top of the receiver...cant be removed without opening up (disassembling) the action (fixed magazine)

that gets you around 4