Looking for feedback on this CZ Custom 75 SP01 SHADOW

[Exiledviking]

mjmagee67,

Is spot on. The main reason most folks want the Shadow is because it is the only CZ that is marketed and it's a great platform.

A plain Jane SP-01 can be turned into a Shadow "spanker" for quite a bit less than a Shadow.

I can own any CZ; my personal 9 mm is a hot-rodded SP-01 and it will shoot lights out. I put the difference in the bank

I believe this gentleman really knows CZ pistols. Great to hear that about the SP-01 as I am picking one up this coming week. Already have new roll pin punches on the work bench along with springs from CGW waiting to be installed. I can't wait to shoot it. It is my first CZ and I am looking forward to hot-rodding it.

[killnjoke]

Has anyone had the opportunity to fire one of the custom CZ 75 SP01 Shadows by CZ Custom? A friend of mine in Arizona says it's one of the nicest guns he's ever shot. The sights and grips are supposed to be improved and he says the trigger job is amazing. If anyone has any insights or comments I'd be very interested in hearing more. Thanks!

Here's a link to the gun I'm referring to: http://czcustom.com/new-firearms/cz-...16-orange.html

Anyone have ANY dialogue on the Shadow Orange? Or is this thread now a tuned SP-01 v's Shadow debate?

[CAGLS]

Anyone have ANY dialogue on the Shadow Orange? Or is this thread now a tuned SP-01 v's Shadow debate?

This CZ video shows the Czech shooting team with the Shadow 2 having less muzzle flip angle than the Shadow Orange which I attribute to more weight at the muzzle from the longer slide. They also show an animated diagram of the features.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_45hOJ3_HE&ab_channel=%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

This video although spoken in what I believe to be Czech or Russian language shows a field strip of the Shadow 2 and what looks to be a tan version. The recoil guide rod seams to have a different profile. Also there seems to be a smooth pin in the trigger below the trigger retaining pin to the trigger bar. Maybe some type of adjustment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpaWIMcTI-4&ab_channel=CentrumWalzel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsZdBRNR3co&ab_channel=GUNSweek

[echopapa]

If you have to have a Shadow in CA, just pickup any 75 lower, gut the parts, get Shadow parts (e.g. Shadow safeties and extended mag releases) + Shadow Slide (CZCustom sells them).

[jinn707]

Anyone have ANY dialogue on the Shadow Orange? Or is this thread now a tuned SP-01 v's Shadow debate?

The only real difference between the sp01 shadow orange and a tuned sp01 shadow is that the orange has a hand fitted barrel. Even then, you can still get a match barrel fitted or an Accu bushing done. Otherwise, the differences are cosmetic.

[killnjoke]

The only real difference between the sp01 shadow orange and a tuned sp01 shadow is that the orange has a hand fitted barrel. Even then, you can still get a match barrel fitted or an Accu bushing done. Otherwise, the differences are cosmetic.

You mean like these ?Have you felt the trigger on the Orange? Compared it to an Accu Shadow? It doesn't feel like an Accu Shadow to me. Differences are not just cosmetic .Forgive me for being argumentative but I just don't see how you can express opinions as facts about a gun you most likely have no firsthand experience with.

Basically what your trying to say is the Shadow Orange is just a marketing gimmick .Just an average Shadow with orange grips and basepads and match grade barrel .That only idiots waste their money on them and the smart people just tune up an SP-01.Heck the guy before you basically said the same thing about the Accu Shadows. I highly doubt that CZC discontinued the Accu Shadow or will no longer offer that conversion .Show me where Angus or Stuart say this or where they confirm its not necessary any longer.

Its funny to me the people who say this crap are the ones who don't own them. Every post I've seen where someone who actually owns one say how "it's the one gun they would never sell" "I just could not part with" "best trigger I've ever felt" and so on. Don't see to many "yeah I sold that Accu Shadow ...it was over rated I much prefer my tuned SP-01"

The only person in this thread I value that type of opinion was Schmeky and I don't know how much of that is business since his competition is the ones selling the Accu Shadow and Shadow Orange. I definitely don't see him saying yeah accu bushings are a gimmick and were not going to sell them any longer ...no more E conversions. No more 10x bushings. And yes I did see his post where he praised them(CZC) and their work.He is a class act I know.

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[jinn707]

You mean like these ?Have you felt the trigger on the Orange? Compared it to an Accu Shadow? It doesn't feel like an Accu Shadow to me. Differences are not just cosmetic .Forgive me for being argumentative but I just don't see how you can express opinions as facts about a gun you most likely have no firsthand experience with.

Basically what your trying to say is the Shadow Orange is just a marketing gimmick .Just an average Shadow with orange grips and basepads and match grade barrel .That only idiots waste their money on them and the smart people just tune up an SP-01.Heck the guy before you basically said the same thing about the Accu Shadows. I highly doubt that CZC discontinued the Accu Shadow or will no longer offer that conversion .Show me where Angus or Stuart say this or where they confirm its not necessary any longer.

Its funny to me the people who say this crap are the ones who don't own them. Every post I've seen where someone who actually owns one say how "it's the one gun they would never sell" "I just could not part with" "best trigger I've ever felt" and so on. Don't see to many "yeah I sold that Accu Shadow ...it was over rated I much prefer my tuned SP-01"

The only person in this thread I value that type of opinion was Schmeky and I don't know how much of that is business since his competition is the ones selling the Accu Shadow and Shadow Orange. I definitely don't see him saying yeah accu bushings are a gimmick and were not going to sell them any longer ...no more E conversions. No more 10x bushings. And yes I did see his post where he praised them(CZC) and their work.He is a class act I know.

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Let's meet up sometime then. You can try my tuned 75 shadow that I use for matches. I will try your Accu-shadow. I didn't insinuate that the buyer is an idiot for getting an Accu or orange gun, but the way the trigger works is the same from gun to gun. What I mean is that each gun has a trigger bar, trigger bar spring, sear, sear spring, disconnector, and hammer.

There isn't any "magic" or "special sauce" that goes into it. The same level of tuning can be achieved with each model. It's all up to the user.

You take seem to take this argument very personally. If you feel insulted, that wasn't my point. Nowhere in my post did I call anyone an idiot. What do they say about assuming? ...

[killnjoke]

Let's meet up sometime then. You can try my tuned 75 shadow that I use for matches. I will try your Accu-shadow. I didn't insinuate that the buyer is an idiot for getting an Accu or orange gun, but the way the trigger works is the same from gun to gun. What I mean is that each gun has a trigger bar, trigger bar spring, sear, sear spring, disconnector, and hammer.

There isn't any "magic" or "special sauce" that goes into it. The same level of tuning can be achieved with each model. It's all up to the user.

You take seem to take this argument very personally. If you feel insulted, that wasn't my point. Nowhere in my post did I call anyone an idiot. What do they say about assuming? ...

Ok grand master how many titles have you won? My point is not about magic or special sauce but that people talk about a gun they have never even touched.Im sure you have more knowledge and experience than the engineers at CZ and CZC who designed these guns.Why did they even produce these models then? Shadow Orange states "Improved trigger mechanism and Newly designed sa/da hammer " Care to elaborate on what they might be talking about?Thats right you don't know because you don't have a Shadow Orange or even seen one.What do they say about assuming ? You seem to do a lot of it.

By your own words there is only a certain level of tuning that can be achieved but your gun is special because why?

[jinn707]

Ok grand master how many titles have you won? My point is not about magic or special sauce but that people talk about a gun they have never even touched.Im sure you have more knowledge and experience than the engineers at CZ and CZC who designed these guns.Why did they even produce these models then?

By your own words there is only a certain level of tuning that can be achieved but your gun is special because why?

Man, you get offended so easily. All the sarcasm ... No where did I say I was a grandmaster either. It doesn't take a grandmaster to learn the mechanics of a CZ. Nowhere did I say my gun was special either. In fact, I was insinuating the opposite - that the trigger mechanism is the same. You're the one saying that your orange and Accu are special. Did you even read what I wrote?

Go ahead and come meet me if you wish, 1st and 3rd Sundays at Richmond Rod and Gun, 2nd Sundays at Yolo, or 4th Sundays at Twin Sisters action pistol or NCPS in Sac. I'll be the guy the Filipino guy that's wearing a cz shirt.

[killnjoke]

Man, you get offended so easily. All the sarcasm ... No where did I say I was a grandmaster either. It doesn't take a grandmaster to learn the mechanics of a CZ. Nowhere did I say my gun was special either. In fact, I was insinuating the opposite - that the trigger mechanism is the same. You're the one saying that your orange and Accu are special. Did you even read what I wrote?

Go ahead and come meet me if you wish, 1st and 3rd Sundays at Richmond Rod and Gun, 2nd Sundays at Yolo, or 4th Sundays at Twin Sisters action pistol or NCPS in Sac. I'll be the guy the Filipino guy that's wearing a cz shirt.

Meet you for what?You going to show me how you don't know anything about the Shadow Orange except what you seen on a youtube video or read on the internet ?If you shoot better your opinion that is not based on fact about a gun you've never seen mean something ?

[jinn707]

Meet you for what?You going to show me how you don't know anything about the Shadow Orange except what you seen on a youtube video or read on the internet ?If you shoot better your opinion that is not based on fact about a gun you've never seen mean something ?

Meet to show you that the trigger mechanisms between each gun are identical. I would probably shoot no better with your orange than I do with my 75 shadow. Well, my argument's done. I'd rather not waste anymore time in this.

[killnjoke]

I have no doubt a tuned SP-01 is an amazing gun because I own some and I know how good they can be.I also know how good these factory Shadows are and I will be passing them down to my kids someday.

My analogy of classic cars that I alluded to previously comes to mind.

Have you seen what any all matching factory Super Sport (yes I am a Chevy guy)sell for nowadays at auction?Im sure 40 to 50 years ago if someone couldn't get a reall SS there were people saying hey man you can make your stock Chevy into an SS and it will be just as good if not better in performance .Now those factory cars sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars and those fake ones maybe 40 grand .

Back to guns

Same with the Colt Python i'm sure there were a lot of people saying back in the day "don't buy a Python my S&W is just as good if not better" save your money . Now how much do those Pythons sell for?

[osis32]

Can't we just get along? Czs are awesome. We can ask agree on that. I say we have another cz party killn I don't think jinn said anything insulting he just offered to shoot with ya.

[killnjoke]

Meet to show you that the trigger mechanisms between each gun are identical. I would probably shoot no better with your orange than I do with my 75 shadow. Well, my argument's done. I'd rather not waste anymore time in this.

Again if they are identical why does it say Improved trigger mechanism and Newly designed sa/da hammer?Why did they engineer and produce these Orange variants if its identical to every other Shadow model? You cant answer because you don't know but just can't seem to admit it for some reason.

[killnjoke]

Can't we just get along? Czs are awesome. We can ask agree on that. I say we have another cz party killn I don't think jinn said anything insulting he just offered to shoot with ya.

Yeah that sounds like fun,i have some new ones you might like.I have 30+ CZ's im hoarding now and I want more.Its obscene .

I don't know why I'm being so hostile maybe I'm just getting old and crotchety .I usually don't like being confrontational .Sorry jinn707 and anyone else my comments may have offended .