"Point Shooting methods" ???

[Friesland]

from another Calguns post; please expand on this and suggest links. Thanks

"There are plenty of so-called Point Shooting methods that can be used for effective close-quarters combat. There is the method developed by Fairborn, Sykes, and Applegate; Quick Kill, and the one I favor, AIMED Point Shooting or P&S."

[BennyAdeline]

My thoughts as a life long shooter:

In rushed situations such as drawing from the holster or grabbing from the bed stand, you probably won't have time to acquire your irons. In these cases the threat is probably so close that you can "point" the gun and make a hit.

There are a lot of "systems" and classes that people profit from about this topic.

I say just practice shooting at close targets without using the irons. You'll be surprised at the hits you make on a man sized target.

If the threat is far enough away to give you the time to use your irons/optic, do so.

Do you use shotguns? We all pretty much "point" shoot them. Same process.

[WMG]

If the threat is close enough point shooting also offers a level of weapons retention , which is good.
If the threat is a tad further away ... I use a flash sight picture for all it's benefits.
Either one with a smidge of practice is easy to obtain good results with

[Marquand]

Point Shooting is one of many pistolcraft techniques that makes the rounds now and again. I remember the big surge in the 80's of the Applegate technique and again in the 90's.

My opinion? Point Shooting is one of many techniques. If you find value in it, study it and add it to your skill set. At the end of the day, all that matters is that you effectively place rounds on target before your foe does the same to you.

[ChuckDizzle]

I've seen too many videos of police officers "point shooting" at suspects 10 feet away and missing entirely to ever rely on such a technique.

If you ever are in a self defense shooting there is a probability that you will experience a time dilation effect of adrenaline. Meaning the world seems to move in slow motion. It is like naturally having super powers of the matrix so slow down and use your sights.

Remember, pistols are not ideal tools for self defense and are dependent not only on hitting the target, but hitting the target well for involuntary stops. Don't think about shooting at a man sized target, you are shooting at an apple sized target buried in their chest. Let's say you are in a close range defensive encounter where you need an involuntary stop, the crazed madman scenario...

Even if you hit the bad guy in the heart you could still be fighting with them for the next 10-20 seconds until their blood pressure drops to the point of unconsciousness. The only immediate stop comes from disabling the central nervous system, and even then sometimes the perp can make it a few steps before the broken bones in his back sever the nerves.

[Friesland]

"a man sized target, you are shooting at an apple sized target buried in their chest."

I need to remember and start thinking/ using this concept

[nothingextra]

Handguns aren't Thor's hammer.

https://youtu.be/vXdF3t-r0IM

Handgunners aren't John Wayne or John Wick, missing is just expected.

Shoot plates, reminds you not only to make hits but to continue until the plate falls.

[NATEWA]

My thoughts as a life long shooter:

In rushed situations such as drawing from the holster or grabbing from the bed stand, you probably won't have time to acquire your irons. In these cases the threat is probably so close that you can "point" the gun and make a hit.

There are a lot of "systems" and classes that people profit from about this topic.

I say just practice shooting at close targets without using the irons. You'll be surprised at the hits you make on a man sized target.

If the threat is far enough away to give you the time to use your irons/optic, do so.

Do you use shotguns? We all pretty much "point" shoot them. Same process.

This ^

I try to not use my irons for shots under 7 yards. While at the range, I'll grab my loaded gun to see how quickly and accurately I can hit the center of the target. Anything past that and I will look at my front sight. I duck hunt and never use my front sight. If I hunt turkeys, then yes.

[tbc]

What about using a laser for point shooting? The one that activates when gripping the gun?


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[Whiterabbit]

I've seen too many videos of police officers "point shooting" at suspects 10 feet away and missing entirely to ever rely on such a technique..

My opinion, as a non-cop who gets to choose his firearm, rather than issue:

go to range. Put target at 10 feet.

Close eyes, point and shoot. Only takes a couple shots.

Did you miss, after doing this a few times across a few days? Sell your pistol and buy a new one for defense. Nothing wrong with the gun, or you, maybe just a grip thing for you personally, etc. Number of "interactions" that can make for a bad fit even when the gun and shooter a great (individually, or even together but using the irons).

[ChuckDizzle]

My opinion, as a non-cop who gets to choose his firearm, rather than issue:

go to range. Put target at 10 feet.

Close eyes, point and shoot. Only takes a couple shots.

Did you miss, after doing this a few times across a few days? Sell your pistol and buy a new one for defense. Nothing wrong with the gun, or you, maybe just a grip thing for you personally, etc. Number of "interactions" that can make for a bad fit even when the gun and shooter a great (individually, or even together but using the irons).

I don't think it's all that great of a test TBH. Shooting at a range at a static target is one thing, the dynamics of a defensive shooting is another entirely.

However, I do a blind point test with every pistol I've purchased for defense, and it is something I think more people should try before throwing their cash down. For me Glocks point the most naturally in this test, but I still own other pistols for fun that don't point naturally for me.

[Whiterabbit]

Since you do it, and think people should do for product selection, implies that you DO think it is a great test.

Regardless of function in a self defense situation.

[MarikinaMan]

fast action, close quarters, point your front sight and focus on the front sight, fughedabout the rear sight (letting muscle memory take over), whilst maintaining situational awareness.

[ChuckDizzle]

Since you do it, and think people should do for product selection, implies that you DO think it is a great test.

Regardless of function in a self defense situation.

I think people should get a pistol that makes using the sights easier, natural point is one of those things that makes using the sights easier. However, I haven't seen anything yet that convinces me that "point shooting" techniques work to hit the target, and hit it well.

We can all have a good laugh at Masaad Ayoob, but I still enjoy reading his stories about defensive shootings and it is not surprising how often those in shootings people miss a lot until they deliberately slow down and focus on their sights before putting the bag guy down.

And sure rifles are different, but even in MOUT training we were never taught any "point shooting" techniques, even guys with ACOGs were expected to aim center mass, not point and shoot even though they were hindered a bit with the magnification.

[IVC]

What about using a laser for point shooting? The one that activates when gripping the gun?

It wouldn't be "point shooting," but otherwise using laser is as legitimate as any aiming technique.