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  • 1911whore
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2006
    • 2885

    Semi Custom 1911 EVAL Part 1.....External eval.

    Ok folks, the moment we have all been waiting for. Just kidding. This is going to be VERY wordy but well worth the read. (PIC HEAVY)

    Guns to be evaluated head to head...
    Les Baer Super Tac .45acp (POST1)
    Springfield Professional Model PC9111 .45acp (POST 2)
    Guncrafter INC No Name .45acp (POST 3)

    Prior to the Springfield Price increase at the beginning of this year all three guns MSRP were essentially the same
    Baer Super Tac MSRP $2,650
    Guncrafter No Name MSRP $2,695
    Springfield Professional WAS $2,735..NOW $3,295

    So is one better built for the same money? Is one a "Best Buy"? Let's see...

    Let me start by stating that ALL three guns are remarkable pistols, they just are. They are all also very tight guns.

    MIM/ Cast Parts....the Baer and Springfield have a few MIM parts and I will dive deeper on this later in the internal eval. The Guncrafter has no MIM parts.

    So, Lets look at the Les Baer first...

    Ok, I love me some Baer pistols! They are accurate, stout, tight guns. Yep they have tool marks and this one is no exception.

    Finish and features...
    The Baer Super tac is finished in Dupont "S" type finish and it is deep black in color, it is also a pretty slick finish to the touch. I can not comment on the durability as time will tell BUT, It is a little shiny and slick for my taste, but it is a nice looking finish for sure.

    The Super tac has front and rear cocking serrations and the typical thin serrations of a Les Baer gun are classy and provide good traction for sure. I like them a lot.

    The sights make the Super tac a bit of a Bastard child, in the sense that it feels like a hard use HD gun but adjustable night sights seem off when most think of a HD gun as having fixed sights. I will say that I actually enjoy the utility of adjustables but not on a "fighting" gun. Some ask ..is it a PII with a fancy finish and adjustable night sights or is it an SRP with adjustable night sights....I say, it is just its own animal. Also the front sight is not blended to the radius of the slide.

    This is a tight gun for sure. No slide to frame movement, not barrel hood movement, and the bushing requires a wrench even after 1000 rds. The slide action is the least smooth of the three guns being evaluated because you feel the disconnector and hammer drag on the bottom of the slide, partly due to the serial number embossed on the bottom of the raceway. (you will see a demo in the video.)

    The AMBI safety is very positive and stiff, it does not agree with Lefties. The strong side digs in the index finger knuckle and causes callouses and sometimes a blister in that location, the weak side (the primary for a lefty) is too thin and is easily missed when trying to place it on safe. The left handed shooter may have a tendency to inadvertently bump the safety ON with the index knuckle if you ride high and shoot fast. Lefties should swap it out. You right handers will be just fine.

    Barrel/Bushing fit
    Ok. The Baer is tight....I MEAN TIGHT. it snaps out of battery when retracting the slide with authority. The bushing is tight to the slide as well to the barrel, the bushing wear marks on the barrel are telling of a GOOD fit, not great, but certainly good.

    Dehorn
    There are no sharp edges on the gun, Baer did a nice job of dehorning, even the edges of the sights are broken so they do not slice you up like a ginzu knife.

    The Baer came with a serrated steel MSH and as it was the only one in the crew to not sport an S&A Magwell, I installed one of the arched variety.

    Checkering
    I like Baers 30lpi checkering, this gun is a nice example of good hand checkering. 30lpi does not abrade your hands as bad as other will.

    Feed Ramp and Barrel..
    The feed ramp is polished as is the throat of the chamber and they are well done.

    Final Thoughts on Baer
    I think this is a great gun and a detailed range report will come shortly. BUT in my opinion the best value in the Baer line up are the PII if you want adjustable sights and the Custom Carry if you dont.

    OK, Here are some pics...


    http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/s...pswif6gtn5.jpg (Baer on the right)

    http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/s...pslzv8lkja.jpg (Baer on the right)

    Last edited by 1911whore; 12-26-2016, 9:18 PM.
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin
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    1911whore
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2006
    • 2885

    POST 2 SPRINGFIELD PRO


    So, this Pro is a "contract" gun so I expected perfection out of the gate. That was NOT the case BUT Springfield has a great warranty, so I used it. Initially it had a spongy, non positive, ill fit ambi safety, the trigger was heavy(5.5lbs) and there was creep and heavy disconnector click, The slide stop was also ill fit. Home she went and what I got back was everything I expected this gun to be. They turned it around in 3 days in the shop!! NOW it is a very nice example of what a custom shop can do. So, let's dive in...

    Finish and features
    The Professional Model comes finished in Birdsong Black T finish. I REALLY like this finish, I mean it SCREAMS of a pistol made for serious work. It is blackish grey and not slick or shiny at all. The pistol does not have front cocking serrations for you purists and sports standard Novak night sights. The slide stop is flush cut, the frame chamfered likewise. It is a nice touch.

    Fit & finish

    The finish is very nice, evenly applied and looks good. Durability has not been tested but reports are good. The over all fit is very tight but smooth, the barrel snicks out of battery and is not as crazy tight as I read them to be. It is done RIGHT. There is not slide to frame movement yet they run smooth as silk. The slide doesnt want to hang up on the disconnector, it "bumps lightly past it when slowly working the slide but all in all, very nicely fit. The Bushing can be removed without a wrench but is really tight in the gun, it also runs tight to the barrel and wear marks are VERY uniform.

    Trigger
    The trigger now comes in with an average of ten pulls at 4lb 2oz...deviation is between 4lb 0 oz and 4lb 4oz...pretty darn consistent with a clean break, no creep, no dosconnector click, nothing.

    Sights
    The Pro has Novak night sights and for this price I think they could add a better sight but it is what it is. The front sight is blended very well to the contour of the slide.

    Safeties
    The Ambi is of the same geometry as the Baer safety.....SEE GRIPES ABOVE. This one is very positive and not as stiff as the Baer. The grip safety is very well fit at the tangs but not perfectly blended to the grip portion of the frame, it is close to perfect but not like a Wilson.

    Magwell & Checkering
    There is not much to say here..The magwell is fit remarkably well, blended perfectly, beautiful. The checkering is of the 20lpi variety BUT they break down the points so you do not get chewed up so bad when you shoot it.

    Dehorn
    They did a great job dehorning the gun. No sharp edges and this is where attention to detail shines. Even the edges of the hammer, edges and holes of the trigger are dehorned and chamferred.
    The feedramp and chamber are polished to a pretty high shine too!

    All in all this is a VERY well built gun and a SOLID example of what a crew of really good gunsmiths can accomplish.

    http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/s...psrfb5tesf.jpg (PRO top left)

    http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/s...pslzv8lkja.jpg (PRO on LEFT)
    http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/s...pswif6gtn5.jpg (PRO on LEFT)


    Last edited by 1911whore; 07-11-2016, 11:41 PM.
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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    • #3
      1911whore
      Veteran Member
      • Nov 2006
      • 2885

      POST 3 GUNCRAFTER NO NAME

      Ok. This particular purchase was a bit of a leap of faith for me, as I had never even held a Guncrafter or seen one in person. I am very glad that I made that leap. This pistol absolutely blew me away. This is the single smoothest gun I have ever had the pleasure of handling.

      Lets get to it.

      Finish and features
      This pistol is finished in melonite. We all know the durability of melonite. While I have not had an opportunity to test the durability of this pistols finish, I have had plenty that had a melonite finish. They have all done quite well. The No Name has an Ambi safety, Serrated top strap, chain link front and back strap, S&A Magwell, Heinie ledge night sights, and a solid trigger.

      This gun is all business, the finish is blackish grey, not too smooth and slick....good looking gun.

      Safeties

      ok, NOW we have an ambi that will not tear up a lefty, you will not knock in on inadvertent, and the geometry is such that you will not get blistered or calloused. WIN! The palm/Beavertail safety is perfectly fit...the Baer was blended well to the grip portion of the frame but lacked attention to detail at the tangs, the PRO was fit well at the tangs but lacked attention to detail at the grip portion of the frame...the GC is perfectly fit on both accounts.

      Slide/frame/barrel fit
      The No Name is tight and there is no movement in the slide to frame fit, no movement or springing in the barrel hood, not movement at the bushing, YET you can remove the bushing by hand, the barrel snicks out of battery easily and when running the slide slowly you can not even tell that there is a disconnector. This thing is built like a tank and locks up like a vault.

      Trigger
      I did the same ten pull test and the average of all ten pulls was 4lb 0 oz......in fact all ten pulls measured 4lb 0 oz!! No disconnector click, no creep, just super clean, crisp, repeatable trigger pull.

      Magwell and Chain link
      ok, here is my gripe....GC offers 2 magwell fit options. one is not fully blended, the other IS fully blended. Mine is not the fully blended option. I do not know why they offer a non blended magwell. As for the chain link, it feels good but I am a long time checkering guy, so I will shake out my feelings on the range tomorrow and update the post.

      Sight fit, feed ramp and chamber.
      The front sight is perfectly blended to the contour of the slide, the feedramp and throat and chamber are VERY HIGHLY polished...it is like glass really.

      I will take assembled GC pics too

      All in all my ranking goes like this
      Guncrafter
      Springfield Pro
      Baer Super Tac

      in that order.



      Last edited by 1911whore; 07-12-2016, 12:37 AM.
      "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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      • #4
        Rhyyke
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 2128

        Looking forward to the other two, and curious if your thoughts on the Springfield Pro vs a Guncrafter align with my own.

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        • #5
          1911whore
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          • Nov 2006
          • 2885

          I am working on it now..be done in about ten min....Hold.
          "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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          • #6
            spunkysandoval
            Member
            • Feb 2014
            • 447

            Here are the pictures embedded for everyone's viewing pleasure.













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            • #7
              nahpungnome
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2013
              • 2159

              Baers dont use MIM parts, they use cast parts.

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              • #8
                1911whore
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                • Nov 2006
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                Didnt mean to hurt feelings. Mim...cast...6 of one, half dozen of the other. Glad you enjoyed the rest of the info.
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                  trigger945
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                  • Sep 2012
                  • 5795

                  Tagged for future reading. Please embed more pics on the actual posts for us lazy folks
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                  • #10
                    nahpungnome
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 2159

                    Originally posted by 1911whore
                    Didnt mean to hurt feelings. Mim...cast...6 of one, half dozen of the other. Glad you enjoyed the rest of the info.
                    Lol no hurt feelings, but for a 1911 whore to use the terms interchangeably is questionable.

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                    • #11
                      AFTII
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2014
                      • 1617

                      FYI, the magwell is not a standard feature on the CA approved Supertac.

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                      • #12
                        trigger945
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 5795

                        Read through the whole write-up. Very nice. Thanks for doing that.

                        Curious to see if you will add a few more brands and models to this write-up and a comparison. If I am not mistaken, you also have a Wilson or two. How about an Ed Brown and a Nighthawk? Do you also have a full-custom build?

                        I once had this "grand" idea of doing a side-by-side comparison of a few semi-custom 1911's. I could not manage to get and keep all at the same time. Hence, I will just live vicariously through you for now I may be able to do that when my kids are older. Only time will tell.
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                        • #13
                          1911whore
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                          Originally posted by AFTII
                          FYI, the magwell is not a standard feature on the CA approved Supertac.
                          You are correct and it states that in the post.
                          "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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                          • #14
                            hambam105
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                            • Jan 2013
                            • 7083

                            The words, "Semi Custom", WTF. What if the GF says she's, 'Semi Pregnant'? Mens hand semi tailored suits. I'll take two with an order of Jumbo Shrimp.

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                            • #15
                              1911whore
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                              • Nov 2006
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                              I use the terminology that is appropriate.
                              "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin

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