Microstamping Repercussions?

[mrvash]

I have just been told that Ruger and S&W will no longer sell handguns in CA due to the Microstamping legislation because they will refuse to comply with CA's new requirements for the Handgun roster. Colt handguns appears to be off the roster already. Will Glock, Kimber, Springfield also follow and seize sales of their handguns also?


Excuse my ignorance, though I contribute monetarily to organizations that fight to preserve our 2A rights in CA, but I'm not up to speed on current state legislation.

[Kwikvette]

AFAIK, no new handguns can be added to the roster due to the micro stamping requirement (too expensive for manufacturers to implement).

However, those already on roster simply need to renew to continue to stay on roster but are not subject to the micro stamp requirement.

[xXRifleManXx]

... yeah well you nailed it on the head , only it's a slow rolling thing. Pistols on the list will stay there unless the manufacturer has to make a change in the manufacturing process. Once the company does that they have to resubmit the pistol, if it doesn't comply with the requirements ( micro stamping for instance) it cannot be sold to the public. State senators exporting firearms to criminal organizations while pushing gun control need not worry.

[armatt2016]

Yeah whatever is on the roster can be renewed but there is no telling when the manufacturers will get tired of it altogether. I really wanted to buy a S&W M&P Shield 45 but cant here.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

No new semi auto handguns. Revolvers can still be added.

Don't you feel better now.

[Marquand]

Microstamping is a complete and utter myth. It's not an issue of cost, it's an issue of not being physically possible to do unless someone invents a temperature and shock-proof laser etcher the size of a Tic Tac mint.

[saudadeii]

Read the sticky at the top of the forum.

[Cokebottle]

It's not a matter of they refuse to comply... it's a matter of the technology required to do what the law states does not exist.

Trust me... S&W and Ruger (and next year Kimber, and likely Berretta) are in business to make money. You don't do that by intentionally limiting your market by "refusing" to sell to one of the most populous states in the country, with the 10th largest economy on the planet.

It's not that they "refuse" to comply... they CAN'T comply.

[Lead Waster]

Well if you think about it, they never said the microstamping has to be durable.mlike if it works 500 times before fading that may be good enough.

CA is a huge market, but that's a major pita to do. Plus adding Lci and mag disconnect.

[zuchaka]

Well hopefully when the deoncrats run California into the ground , then we can get pro 2a politicians back into office. But I won't be holding my breath......

[keenkeen]

It's not a matter of they refuse to comply... it's a matter of the technology required to do what the law states does not exist.

Trust me... S&W and Ruger (and next year Kimber, and likely Berretta) are in business to make money. You don't do that by intentionally limiting your market by "refusing" to sell to one of the most populous states in the country, with the 10th largest economy on the planet.

It's not that they "refuse" to comply... they CAN'T comply.

6th largest economy on the planet...

[orangeusa]

The other problem is that any change to the roll marks (or the gun) cause it to be retested. And of course fail because of microstamping and in most cases, mag disconnect.

So, for example, Beretta moves from Accokeek, MD to Tennessee, guns are different.

I and many others hope the list goes to zero, and then it becomes a whole other issue. Complete disregard of 2A, which is easily defensible.

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[zuchaka]

I read the sticky , how can they make a law requiring technology that is not fully developed yet ?

My understanding is micro stamping is something that exists but not developed for handguns yet and I guess never will be , because it would make pistols too expensive. Do I have that right ?

[orangeusa]

You are applying logic where logic does not apply. Serioustalk. A bad law exists, even the DOJ has troubles applying it. The DOJ are not the bad guys, they do not make the laws. IMO.

[zuchaka]

Your correct there is no logic to it. It wasn't that long ago gun shops had 'choices' when it came to handguns. The one that just drives me up the wall is how many 1911's are now off roster......75 years of military service and now it's not okay......that's nuts.

I am a Glock guy and can make do with gen 3, but otherwise I would be screwed.