Groups deteriorating... Slump and blue!

[rodralig]

Hi CalGunners...

As some of you may know, I'm a beginner shooter. Started shooting just early May with my first gun the Glock 22. Then, a month later, got the 9mm Beretta PX4 Storm. Attended a couple of basic handgun classes, and just came back June 6 from a Front Sight 2-Day Defensive.

Well, I'm little blue today - kind of a slump...

For one, I'm shooting WAY WAY better with my PX4 (just 300-rounds) compared to my G22 (1,050-rounds) in all ranges up until 15-yards, both in slow fire (bull's eye) and rapid fire (as much in the A-zone).

Then for 2-weeks until this morning, I'm finding my groups deteriorating for BOTH guns... But this morning? *UGH* They are so spread out...! (though, at least keeping them within the orange area) ...

All of these in spite of concentrating on fundamentals when shooting (and dry practice during the week)...

Hahaha! Was so FRUSTRATED that I didn't take any photo logs of my groups (as I usually do)...

Then, for some reason, the range was crowded! And aircon not as strong - this didnt help in my sight picture as my glasses started fogging up!

Dang!

[tbc]

Shooting handguns is not easy. Especially from 15 yards and beyond.

There are good days and there are bad days.

Did you change your grip? Your stance? Your trigger press?




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[RR.44]

These things happen, pull up your boot straps and soldier on.
Practice makes perfect but you can get burned out if you don't give yourself a break once in a while. Hang in there things will get better.

Rich

[luckyduck]

Try shooting rifles for a few range sessions. I find that getting over the flinch when shooting a intermediate powered rifle (7.62x39 or 5.56) helps with taming the flinch and micro motor movements when shooting handgun. Sometimes I can come off the 100 yards range shooting rifles and shooting pretty damn well at 25 yards with my hand gun.

[rodralig]

Shooting handguns is not easy. Especially from 15 yards and beyond.

There are good days and there are bad days.

Did you change your grip? Your stance? Your trigger press?


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Nope. I dont think I'm in a position to change anything.

Right now, am just practicing for consistency.

This was my 15-yards with the PX4 a couple of weeks back. The RED is 5-inches in diameter.

These things happen, pull up your boot straps and soldier on.
Practice makes perfect but you can get burned out of you don't give yourself a break once in a while. Hang in there things will get better.

Rich

I think I'll do that...! Ever since I got into firearms, I'm in the range every week. Then dry practice for 10-mins at least every day.

Yeah - today, I feel that I was kind of "anxious," etc. not that the emotionless calm when I was doing (when I finally did) tight groups!


Thanks a lot guys!!!

[rodralig]

Groups deteriorating... Slump and blue!

Try shooting rifles for a few range sessions. I find that getting over the flinch when shooting a intermediate powered rifle (7.62x39 or 5.56) helps with taming the flinch and micro motor movements when shooting handgun. Sometimes I can come off the 100 yards range shooting rifles and shooting pretty damn well at 25 yards with my hand gun.

Now that you mentioned it - I got lazy...

When I was shooting better groups, I intersped every 30-round (I do 5-rounds/set), I switch to dry practice for 10-rounds before going back to live. I was told by one other CalGunner that addresses/resets the flinch response.

I guess I need to go back to that...

[nothingextra]

Try shooting rifles for a few range sessions. I find that getting over the flinch when shooting a intermediate powered rifle (7.62x39 or 5.56) helps with taming the flinch and micro motor movements when shooting handgun. Sometimes I can come off the 100 yards range shooting rifles and shooting pretty damn well at 25 yards with my hand gun.

^^^^

Switch gears.
Grab a shotgun and do something different like clays or blow off a shootnc with slugs.

Burn a whole day shooting 500rds of 22.

Grab a fresh can of centerfire rifle and go to a place that has multiple distance berms and go work back and forth from 100-300yds or 600-800.

Clear your head.

[Steponmytoes]

Dry fire. A lot. Trigger control is 90 percent of the game

[trigger945]

It happens. Hang tight and don't lose hope. It is a process and there are good days and there are not-so-good days.

When you see your groups are not where they are and you are getting frustrated, stop. Pack up and leave. Come back another day when you are fresher. Don't waste ammo and don't reinforce any bad habits by compensating.

It is a journey... It will get better.

[steelholder]

Hang in there you'll get your groove and learn what works best for you.

A lot of people find theyre more accurate with px4 than glock.

[rodralig]

Thanks guys!!!

When you see your groups are not where they are and you are getting frustrated, stop. Pack up and leave. Come back another day when you are fresher. Don't waste ammo and don't reinforce any bad habits by compensating.

I definitely need somebody to WHACK my head at the 50-round mark, and I'm not performing well.... I guess I wanted to make use of my time yesterday - for some reason, the range was crowded. I arrived 10-mins before opening, and still had to wait for almost an hour to the lane. Hhhhmmm....

Dry fire. A lot. Trigger control is 90 percent of the game

Hang in there you'll get your groove and learn what works best for you.

A lot of people find theyre more accurate with px4 than glock.

I'm finding that it is more due to the trigger of the Glock than the PX4, than anything else (difference in caliber). I do Dry Fire regularly using either Snap Caps, the Dry Fire Mag, or a SiRT. I do well - but suck at live fire.

Hoping for better groups next week. Maybe I should re-arrange my schedule and do my range visits every weekday.

[Lonestargrizzly]

Maybe sell your glock and follow the beretta path to salvation

[Matt P]

Try to avoid leaving the range feeling frustrated.
Always finish your session with a drill you shoot well. Make that conscious effort to do that. Move closer to the target, enough for you to enjoy a level of accuracy that demonstrates your current level of ability.
You are on the path. You are doing more to develop your abilities shooting then like 70% of those who own firearms.
Great job on just wanting to be safer and more informed.

[bwhited]

More dry practice!

[MrOrange]

Sounds like you're burned out, mebbe lay off for a couple weeks?

I advise a nice bubble bath, preferably accompanied by a glass of good Merlot and some dark chocolate.