Decocker or no?

[AFTII]

Double action pistols can have atrocious double action triggers. In fact, I can't think of one that doesn't seriously suck. The pulls are generally long and heavy and rarely result in a well aimed hit on the first shot. Of course training and some minor gun smithing (swapping triggers and springs on some guns) can mitigate this very negative aspect, but you should understand what you are getting into.

If you really want a double action handgun for home defense, consider a revolver. If you have shot revolvers double action and don't like to shoot them double action, save your cash on a decocker pistol, because its going to be just as bad or worse.

[drago78]

Lighten up. The factory DESIGNED the Cz75 Omega, P07 and P09 to be switched BY THE OWNER from safety operation to decocker operation, and the parts to do so are included in the box with the gun

Otherwise your point is well taken - no one here is advocating experimental mods.

I am very calm actually. I'm just wondering would you tell to the DA the same thing? Calm down, is just the safety removed and I add the decocker? Please remember, if the day comes to use a gun in self defense, that gun will be inspected and a report will be presented to the DA and if any mods are done...well use your imagination

[nitroxdiver]

I carry almost every day a cz rami and I don't want a decocker on the gun, one in the chamber, hammer back and on safe. I also have a sig p229 that I carry and the decocker is not needed for me, one in the chamber and hammer down, less steps I have to take to be ready to engage the better.

My 2 cent

I have a question about your 229 statement. When you load and make ready for carry, you thumb the hammer down instead of using the decocker? Why would you do that? A decocker has nothing to do with having to make ready to engage a target. Maybe it's a typo or my reading comprehension, just curious about your statement.
Thanks



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[drago78]

I have a question about your 229 statement. When you load and make ready for carry, you thumb the hammer down instead of using the decocker? Why would you do that? A decocker has nothing to do with having to make ready to engage a target. Maybe it's a typo or my reading comprehension, just curious about your statement.
Thanks



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You read correct, I rarely use the decocker and not because is something wrong with that. It helps a lot actually to use the same habits on all the guns are used for defense or carry. In a stressful situation there is no time to think what gun you have in your hand and what features the gun have, so the best thing is to use them in the same way or the more similar way possible.
Just my way of thinking

[SkyHawk]

Can't go off, there is a block between the hammer and firing pin every time the decocker is engaged

Can't go off - famous last words. "Can't" except when it "can" because it doesn't work

[drago78]

Can't go off - famous last words. "Can't" except when it "can" because it doesn't work

I never heard, saw a gun going off when decocker was used. For that matter I never saw a gun killing a human, please prove me wrong

[Erion929]

You do not want to have to think about a safety for a defensive situation. Decocker or striker, personal preference.

I'm in this camp.....decocker SP-01 in the nightstand for me. Just want to grab it and go, if I have to. Not worried about a longer trigger pull on a big target probably less than 25-30 feet away.

[Carcassonne]

I am looking at adding a CZ 75 to my collection. No real experience with a pistol with a decocker. The pistol is not planned to be on the list of guns on my cc permit. But more as a home defense go to weapon.

What are the pros and cons of either the model with the safety or he model with the decocker.

Thanks

The only pro to having a safety on a CZ-75 is you can carry it locked and cocked.

The disadvantage to a safety is that it can inadvertently prevent the gun from firing when you want it to. You can forget to click it off, or it can click on during recoil.

The advantage to a decocker is that it will always fire when the trigger is pulled.

The disadvantage is that stupid people may have a negligent discharge, but stupid people can have a negligent discharge with a safety also.

I prefer a decocker over a manual safety.



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[Mossy Man]

even though the safety versions of CZ can be set up for carry like the decocker (half cock manually, safety off), and the safety can't engage at that point, the way you hold/shoot the gun is different.

Decocker CZs lend toward your thumb uder the decocker lever (its even contoured for this), whereas the safety is intended for your thumb to go over the top while shooting.

If you shoot your safety model like your decocker model, its possible (especially if you are under duress) to accidentally engage the safety while firing.

For this reason, i recommend sticking to one format of CZ.

[calif 15-22]

If you're really concerned with personal safety more than "adding to the collection", stick with a single type of firearm action. Don't carry a striker fired gun, then have a pistol with manual safety for home. Keep it simple.

If you want to be better equipped for self defense, take a self defense pistol class, then take another. What you already own is probably more than enough to defend yourself. Invest in your software.

^^^ THIS ^^^
I went through this thought process initially wanting a P30 with decocker but went with a VP9 striker fire as ALL my other Polymer handguns are striker fired.

I like to keep it simple that way

[penguin0123]

Am I the only one who gets real apprehensive when I use the decocker?

Always worry the gun will go off.

Bunch of mechanical safeties in place like half notch intercept and firing pin block that are not disengaged unless you pull the trigger. Also note that some decockers let you lower the hammer gently (e.g. Sig) which gives you even more safety.

I have a question about your 229 statement. When you load and make ready for carry, you thumb the hammer down instead of using the decocker? Why would you do that? A decocker has nothing to do with having to make ready to engage a target. Maybe it's a typo or my reading comprehension, just curious about your statement.
Thanks

You read correct, I rarely use the decocker and not because is something wrong with that. It helps a lot actually to use the same habits on all the guns are used for defense or carry. In a stressful situation there is no time to think what gun you have in your hand and what features the gun have, so the best thing is to use them in the same way or the more similar way possible.
Just my way of thinking

If you use the trigger and thumb to decock, you are running a much higher risk of AD. When you use a decocker, a bunch of mechanical safeties are still active because the trigger is not pulled. If you thumb down the hammer, you have zero safeties activated and if your thumb slips, one will go off.

For the love of all things safety, please use a decocker.

I see people at the local range miss at this distance all the time. And the target they're shooting at isn't moving and they're not having an adrenaline dump.

DA is something you need to practice with. If all you practice at the range is SA, expect to miss with your DA shot. People make a much bigger deal out of DA/SA transition than it actually is.

[penguin0123]

OP,

If every single mechanical safety failed on a DA gun, there is not enough energy in a decocked (technically half cocked) hammer to touch off a round. If every single mechanical safety failed on an SA gun, there is more than enough energy in a cocked hammer to touch off a round. If you are comfortable with the latter and think thumbing off the safety is no problem, then go SA route.

[81turbota]

Depends on your intended purpose.

Almost all of my guns are standard safety types, my SD/HD pistol is a CZ SP-01 Tactical with a decocker. The SA trigger is good, the DA trigger is heavy but the "2/3" DA trigger from the decocker position is just right. The hammer does not fall all the way down when you use the decocker on the SP-01.

Of honorable mention, not that I would use this pistol for SD/HD, is my oldest decocking pistol (I have another one, just a later war variation)- A Radom VIS built in early 1942. The original Polish Radom, the Wz. 35, was designed for the cavalry in which they needed to holster/re holster their guns on a regular basis. The decocker differs from the CZ because the hammer falls all the way back down instead of the 1/3 cock of the CZ. The Radom uses a tilting firing pin eliminating the possibility of a ND. I'm not sure if the CZ uses any kind of tilting firing pin, but the hammer never contacts the pin during decock.

[onelonehorseman]

I am looking at adding a CZ 75 to my collection. No real experience with a pistol with a decocker. The pistol is not planned to be on the list of guns on my cc permit. But more as a home defense go to weapon.

What are the pros and cons of either the model with the safety or he model with the decocker.

Thanks

OP, as others have suggested, I suggest you pick whichever type makes you most comfortable, and practice, practice, practice with it. Stick with one type of mechanism for now. I do not care for manual safeties myself . . . a personal preference. I have SA/DA decockers and striker fired types, and like them both. With striker fired types, you need to be extra vigilant to keep your finger away from the trigger when drawing, since the trigger pull weight will be much less than on a decocked SA/DA. Again, this is where practice comes in.

[Risky1]

Thanks.

I have decided on the Manual safety, Training consistent across all guns and with all the kids.

On a side note, found that although I like the LGS, Sportsmans warehouse price was almost $150 less. The LGS just can't compete. If it was closer in price I don't mind paying a but more. But the spread is just too great.