Ameriglo Hackthorn

[hambam105]

Sorry to Rain-On-Everyone's Parade.

gun.. it will be for my G43 carry gun.

It is extremely easy to convince shooters in a controlled environment that multi-colored and 'Night' Sights are the way to go. And for those with aging eyes in a controlled environment, manipulating the light spectrum whether on the gun or thru glass lenses or by ambient light if done correctly will increase the fun hit factor for recreational shooting.

The topic of sights selection is huge and since I have only a few more seconds to hold your attention here is the quick & dirty:
The sights in question do not produce enough light to identify your target.
The purpose of sights is to provide contrast between sight alignment and your target.

In a self-defense type situation, 99.9% anything relevant on your target does not have straight or right angles, except your sights.

Colors such as white, orange, green tend to wash-out when transposed onto other colors. Example, white front sight with white tee-shirt on BG. Often times when you take orange or green and mix it with another color you might end up seeing a third color.

How can you distort the color flat black with sharp, even, straight lines?

[flanel]

You don't want to focus only on the target (tunnel vision)..you will need to train to see beyond the target as well. I say this from my experience involved in shooting. It's good to focus on the target or threat, but make sure and train yourseld to see beyond.

Well that is a good point and something I will work on, but when I said focus on the target, I did mean the threat vs. focusing on the front sight. When I'm target shooting that's not what I do, but if you imagine a real world defensive split second scenario, you would/should be focused on the assailant plus, like you are saying, bystanders and as much of your surroundings as possible really. Also, depending on the situation, there may not even be enough time to properly present before firing. This is when these big dot sights would have the most benefit, IMO. For target shooting I prefer narrow competition type front sights with a fiber optic.

[devious21]

Thinking about getting the orange version.. thought it will stand out more than lime or green color ones..

Have them on my M&P 9c (carry gun). I opted for the luminescent lime outer instead of the orange, makes it easy to pick up the front sight. Love mine

As far as lime vs orange, it's mostly user preference, however I don't think the orange is self-luminescent in low light, could be wrong on this. The lumi-lime really lights up!

I have to repeat this sentiment. I have all orange fronts and I figured I prefer the contrast more than the lime which appears almost white.

That said, I bought the GF a set of the Lime protectors and jesus that thing stands out. Everytime I open the safe it jumps out at me. Much more than the oranges. I think it also has to do with the fact that we perceive green better than the red side of the spectrum.

See if you can check them out in person. My next set will probably be that bright lime green. It comes off as a radioactive bright white.

[thorium]

I've used ameriglos of various types over the years. I used one of their "Trijicon HD" wannabes and the orange ring on the front sight fell off. It's like it was glued on. This was not a catastrophic failure, sites were still usable, but come on its now basically a black front sight with the tritium vial.

But if it's a serious (i.e. Primary home defense, ccw, duty use, etc) I would not trust those style of front sight from Ameriglo because clearly the construction method is inferior to Trijicon HD (which are nearly twice the price, apparently for a reason).

I've had good luck with Ameriglos more traditional (eg white ring on the front sight) which seems more of an embedded material than some flimsy colored ring glued on. And I have several Trijicon HD which have been solid through heavy use.

Just one anecdote.

[flanel]

The front sight is where the bullet goes. Focus on that.

I do 99.9% of the time. What I'm talking about is also preparing for a worst case fight scenario where that is not possible or may just be too slow. The type of engagement where adrenaline kicks in and people would probably just start point shooting because to wait a fraction of a second means your the one being shot. So what I'm practicing is basically firing the instant the gun is raised/drawn and pointed at the target, while keeping your focus on the actions of the assailant, who could be charging at you, drawing a weapon, or mabee shouldn't be fired at. You don't have to agree, but in my experience the big dot front sight being there with something close to proper presentation, even if it is out of focus, is hugely preferable to not really having a sight picture at all like point shooting.

The only reason I brought it up is because this is the only time I think the big bright dot sights are a benefit, so IMO for a carry gun is a good trade off.

[flanel]

honestly I think we agree on more than we disagree. Point shooting is exactly what I'd want to avoid, so I'm practicing getting the best alignment I can in an instant without taking my eyes off the target. It wouldn't win competitions, but I'm not missing either.

I'm spending a lot more time practicing quickly getting good sight alignment and focusing on the front sight, I totally agree this is ideal, but there is always a chance a threat maybee only be a few feet away, or some other crazy scenario. I'm not going to limit myself to one strict method of gunfighting for every possibility, and like another member mentioned often technique tends to break down when s hits the fan.

[devious21]

I do 99.9% of the time. What I'm talking about is also preparing for a worst case fight scenario where that is not possible or may just be too slow. The type of engagement where adrenaline kicks in and people would probably just start point shooting because to wait a fraction of a second means your the one being shot.

I think you can't stress too highly how important focusing on the front sight is, if your placement is important. And if you have time to miss, you have time to aim.

https://youtu.be/qVrB2JYkuP4?t=1m

Near 5min he does talk about an alternative and very crude index that exaggerates the front sight high, so you can still get it into your tunnel vision if your stuck focused on the target and the front sight as a secondary. He mentions this as a fallback for those who haven't kept their training up, as even that give you better odds than pure point shooting.

@2:58 - "If I can give you any bit of advice, based on all the studies, all the survivors I've debriefed, that would guarantee putting the bullet in the right place, would be 'front sight'."

[BrokerB]

Those big dot fromt sights. ....cover well over the width of a chest at 25 yds. Accuracy is going to really go down hill fast after that distance.


Sure.....most defensive use is under that.."most". If you are going tnat route why even bother with a large gun that holds more then "4-6".. or whatever that fbi average shots fired count is.

I went with glock nights sights at $57..put on by glock. Sent them my slide..two weeks later its back. There mepro vials in glock made metal front and rear sights.

Aim small...miss small

[devious21]

Those big dot fromt sights. ....cover well over the width of a chest at 25 yds. Accuracy is going to really go down hill fast after that distance.


Sure.....most defensive use is under that.."most". If you are going tnat route why even bother with a large gun that holds more then "4-6".. or whatever that fbi average shots fired count is.

I went with glock nights sights at $57..put on by glock. Sent them my slide..two weeks later its back. There mepro vials in glock made metal front and rear sights.

Aim small...miss small

Unless you're talking about XS Big Dots, pretty sure the Ameriglo's OP mentioned are smaller than the Factory Glock night sights. They just have a bigger and more visible ring on the sight.

[flanel]

What instructors/schools are you training with?

Pai Mei

[L-2]

Pai Mei

HaHa!
I trained with Johnny Mo. I wonder if they're related...

Related to this thread, I went with the Ameriglo's "Defoor" G43 sights. Many of my carry Glocks have plain black steel sights, then I paint the front for contrast & visibility. I think the main difference is the Hackathorn's rear is serrated and the Defoor is not. I suppose I would have gotten the Hackathorn if it was available at the time and do have some of the serrated rear sights on other Glocks. Focusing on the front sight, with quick glances at the target/threat, I prefer not to have too much cluttering up that rear sight.

[gtarifa74]

Thanks everyone... ameriglo hackthorn it is

Hello Sir! Let Me know how those Hacks go! My 43 is currently jailed and will be out next week. I am already shopping around for a set of aftermarket sights for it and am considering these Ameriglos...

[BoJackUSMC]

Hello Sir! Let Me know how those Hacks go! My 43 is currently jailed and will be out next week. I am already shopping around for a set of aftermarket sights for it and am considering these Ameriglos...

I will. .it should be getting here around Monday..

[flanel]

I can tell.

Yes, well during that interview linked above Massad Ayoob brings up what I've been trying to explain as a worthwhile secondary technique, so I guess he's clueless too.