Doj delay

[Angrysnarf]

any of you with delays put down social security number
I know you dont have to
I always do, just incase it could help with any weird name issues

I do but not delay yet I'll know friday

[Eljay]

any of you with delays put down social security number
I know you dont have to
I always do, just incase it could help with any weird name issues

To elaborate on one of the previous responses, you can write your social on the 4473 (Federal) form but when they type all that into the DROS (state) computer system there's literally no way for them to enter it. So the state doesn't get your social even if you write it on the form.

In other states it might be helpful if they use the federal background check system over the phone, they could pass that along. But not in California since it's all done through the computer and the software wasn't set up for it.

[V13]

If you are experiencing a delay for your CCW or a purchase that involves Live scan, the reasoning is bogus. This is the AG's way of saying I'm in charge and i will do what I want. Now, I worked for a police department for 13 years and my responsibility included overseeing the live scan. Results are usually back within 72 hours. There are occasions where the delay may be greater, but they are not that common. A delay notice can mean a couple of things. There was a hit and they are doing a hand search of the record. The data base is undergoing maintenance. There was a problem with the receipt of the prints in which case they can usually contact the agency where you were live scanned and have them retransmit. Or someone just screwed up. The system is totally electronic so there is no reason for a 3 - 4 month wait.

I'm guessing they see my misdemeanors and are looking into them


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[onelonehorseman]

If you are experiencing a delay for your CCW or a purchase that involves Live scan, the reasoning is bogus. This is the AG's way of saying I'm in charge and i will do what I want. Now, I worked for a police department for 13 years and my responsibility included overseeing the live scan. Results are usually back within 72 hours. There are occasions where the delay may be greater, but they are not that common. A delay notice can mean a couple of things. There was a hit and they are doing a hand search of the record. The data base is undergoing maintenance. There was a problem with the receipt of the prints in which case they can usually contact the agency where you were live scanned and have them retransmit. Or someone just screwed up. The system is totally electronic so there is no reason for a 3 - 4 month wait.

With a delay on a gun purchase/DROS, it can't go over 30 days any longer; it will go to "undetermined" if not resolved by that point. Once undetermined, it will be up to the FFL whether to release to the buyer or not; some do, and some don't.

[I Swan]

I hear that they even check DMV and Child Support records as avenues to deny the OK.

Having sad this, I know of two guys with speeding tickets and/ or late child support payments; and they both cleared in 10 days.

Neither was a new buyer, though.

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I know a deadbeat dad that has purchased guns and none were denied or delayed. Also at one time he had piles of unresolved tickets and no delays or denials either. I'm actually surprised CA hasn't tried to stop people in child support arrears from DROSing guns or looking at DROS records to force a sale.

[dbdataplus]

For what it's worth.
I bought a long gun mail-order and Dros'd it with a local dealer, then I bought a PPT pistol Dros'ed through that same dealer and recently received a "Delay" notice on the first one... soon to receive a delay on the second.

A few phone calls and I reach a human at the DOJ and she verified what we already know:

1-They don't take phone calls because, by State law, they aren't allowed to discuss your criminal records or your mental health status on the telephone
2-Their computer system records the STATUS of your transfer, but not the reason.
3-The analysts who are actually reviewing your DROS are far too overloaded to take calls -- if they did, my contact said, they'd never process an application, just spend all time arguing with people over them. Case in point is "undetermined" and the "sole discretion" of the FFL to release: My contact agrees it's badly written, but the DOJ didn't write it and doesn't have the authority to direct the FFL to release the firearm ... but she spends, she claims, 10% of her day hearing that complaint and explaining and re-explaining that she can't do anything about it.
4-And I can't argue with this one ... MOST people who ever HAVE contacted the DOJ just clog the phones and waste the time arguing ... when what the analyst needs is hard, documented fact, which even if you WERE able to provide, come from a suspect source. She said, in the original implementation it wasn't uncommon for people delayed or denied to call up and threaten the agents with violence ....

I'm not saying they're right ... so please don't jump on me about it, I'm saying this is the reason that you can't get any information.

Btw: The analyst doesn't ISSUE an "undetermined" status. If the case can't be resolved in the allotted time, the application just times out and the computer system automatically generates the letter.

And I'm in hell right there with you. An out of state FFL to FFL transfer and an in-state PPT both on "Delay" both waiting for 45 year old court records from a state on the opposite side of the country. I'm pretty sure the records are safe - right next to the crate holding the Ark of the Covenant - and will never arrive.

And my FFL will not release to an Undetermined, the private party is long gone and I may have to sue the gun dealer just to get him to sell the weapons and give me part of the proceeds. {sigh}

But for now I just sit and wait

[rawfuls]

The whole DROS and background check system REALLY needs to be reworked.
I didn't think it had this many flaws until reading this thread and a few others...

[Eljay]

The whole DROS and background check system REALLY needs to be reworked.
I didn't think it had this many flaws until reading this thread and a few others...

It's not their intent to make anything convenient or efficient.

[rawfuls]

It's not their intent to make anything convenient or efficient.

True, but I'm sure a better system could be devised.
I don't know the full in depths of everything that happens behind the scene, but with the little IT experience I have in enterprise systems; developing a system (or program) that all points towards one large database would streamline almost everything.

Establishing a secondary portal with less personal information, with limited access available to FFLs, or even (the dream), citizens to cross reference when doing a "gun show sale" would make for a fairly universal system.

I'm sure it'd make their life easier, without having to do what they have to do.
Then again, that's like trying to implement a whole new system in a hospital without taking the hospital down for a single second.

Takes some serious skills, luck and a whole lot of cajones.

[dbdataplus]

I agree that they have no interest in making it easier. They might have an interest in making it less costly to them to process ... but it will probably just get easier and faster as more and more court records are computerized. As each jurisdiction moves into the Information Age the ability to verify gets easier. Remember ... when it's 2:30 pm in Los Angeles it's 1963 in Mojave County (they are still getting first-run episodes of I Love Lucy).

What would be handy ... is a data base of FFLs and their position on the "undetermined" status. I know one that says "unless I hear that your right to own a firearm has been denied I have every intention of delivering your property to you" while I know another that says "You should have figured this out before you came here." (Wish I'd though to ask)

[Chunky_lover]

why not give us access to a website we type in our info and see right away if we are clear or if there is some problem


then go out and buy what we want, expecting no issues

[FrankoUSA]

10 days 15 days then 30 days

[V13]

why not give us access to a website we type in our info and see right away if we are clear or if there is some problem


then go out and buy what we want, expecting no issues

They would make too much sense. The email today said the can not discuss my record w me


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[pr0file]

4 weeks into my PFEC and no letter yet... they even cashed my check before the end of the year

[pr0file]

They would make too much sense. The email today said the can not discuss my record w me

At least you got an email