Question about AR pistol and VFGs

[foreppin916]

Just finished building a mk 18 clone AR pistol and the OAL is 28" from the Sb 15 Brace to muzzle with a 10.3" barrel. Can I legally mount a VFG without having to have a tax stamp or do I need to E file with the ATF first?

[Trashman013]

no you cant. it will classify as a sbr. you can however mount an angled grip

[foreppin916]

I thought it would be an AOW no?

[Trashman013]

http://johnpierceesq.com/can-you-add-a-vertical-fore-grip-to-an-ar-pistol/

[Trashman013]

sig brace does not count to overall length

[Lonwa]

Since you built it as a pistol, and the barrel is shorter than 16 inches and the overall length is less than 30 means its a pistol. Your only option is to submit a Form 1 to the ATF to build an AOW. Then you can add the VFG.

Cheers

Lonwa

[Gun happy]

Look op dont take the word or opinion of just one person theres some who do it stating that 26-30 inches or so is considered an OAL. What that means to you is going to mean something else to others, so in my opinion its your choice. And think twice before taking the word of a junior member myself included.

[Munny$hot]

More than 26" and less than 30" is an AOW so you can legally mount a vertical grip. Franklin armory has an CA DOJ approval letter posted on their web site

[Gun happy]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1106700&highlight=vertical+grip

[Gun happy]

More than 26" and less than 30" is an AOW so you can legally mount a vertical grip. Franklin armory has an CA DOJ approval letter posted on their web site

Thank you Munny$hot for schooling them and proving my point.

[Lonwa]

Only the ATF can designate a weapon an AOW . You still need the tax stamp from them. CA DOJ will honor that stamp.

[Munny$hot]

Only the ATF can designate a weapon an AOW . You still need the tax stamp from them. CA DOJ will honor that stamp.

The ATF defines legal classification and has confirmed that Franklin's pistol meets the criteria of an AOW. Getting a Tax Stamp in CA is near impossible and not needed in this case. Here is link to the ATF letter:

http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf

[Lonwa]

This will be my last post on this thread.

I don't know anything about Franklin Armories weapon, but read the ATF letter very closely and you will get all the answers to your questions on what you need to do to be legal.

Cheers,

Lonwa

[ke6guj]

More than 26" and less than 30" is an AOW so you can legally mount a vertical grip. Franklin armory has an CA DOJ approval letter posted on their web site

ATF has stated that if it is over 26" and does not have a shoulder stock, that it is NOT an AOW, but is merely an "other". as such, it can have a VFG without violating the ATF rules about AOWs. they have said that the 26" measurement is done with all removable devices removed, such as a muzzle brake/flash hider and I assume removable Sig Braces

franklin armory has no CADOJ approval letter about VFGs posted on their website that I am aware of.

The ATF defines legal classification and has confirmed that Franklin's pistol meets the criteria of an AOW. Getting a Tax Stamp in CA is near impossible and not needed in this case. Here is link to the ATF letter:
http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf

No, ATF said that the FA pistol was specifically NOT an AOW if it was over 26" unless a person actually concealed the firearm on the person (then it would be an AOW even if over 26" OAL.

[laurelpark]

The ATF defines legal classification and has confirmed that Franklin's pistol meets the criteria of an AOW. Getting a Tax Stamp in CA is near impossible and not needed in this case. Here is link to the ATF letter:
http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf

This is what I thought, too. A guy I know bought one of the Franklin Armory AR pistols, and when I saw it my first thought was "get that thing off my property - or take the fore grip off of it....". Then I looked into it a bit, and they do seem to be "OK". Still not sure I'd want to have one in my possession when confronted by a DoJ agent...