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  • Go Navy
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 2171

    FBI to Adopt 9mm

    The Washington Post is reporting that the FBI is going to equip approximately 13,000 agents, by 2016, with a new 9mm pistol. The FBI does not know which pistol it will be, yet. This is big news in the handgun world.

    One reason for the upcoming change is that the FBI has been testing various state of the art production 9mm rounds, and found that the Speer 147 gr Gold Dot G2 is extremely effective and suitable for their requirements. You can look up the story on the internet.

    That round is currently priced at $1.15 per round for a box of 20 at MidwayUSA, and is out of stock at the moment, so this will never be cheap practice ammo. You can assume that it'll be very hard to find for awhile when the FBI starts ramping up its purchases. But we can also assume that Speer's competitors already have brought out, or soon will offer competing products.

    Believe it or not, 9mm ammo has evolved quite a bit from its original form, and the modern loads are serious business. FBI testing is seriously respected by many law enforcement agencies. I'm a stubborn, one-caliber 9mm fan; that's my story and I'm sticking with it! I'm not posting this to start a debate about .45acp or change the minds of 1911 fans, so please don't go there. I just thought this was pretty significant news of interest to hand gunners.

    I'm currently using Hornady 115 gr FTX Critical Defense as the nightstand duty load, another pricey modern cartridge. Maybe I should move to a heavier round. It's the old question of balancing velocity vs. bullet weight vs. expansion vs. penetration, and many a pitcher of beer has been consumed while trying to resolve the question. It appears that the FBI has decided that Speer got it right.
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  • #2
    Quiet
    retired Goon
    • Mar 2007
    • 30241

    May 2014... the FBI completed their latest handgun caliber study, in which they concluded that 9x19mm was the best cartridge for them.

    July 2015... the FBI released their RFP for a 9x19mm sidearm to replace their current standard issue .40S&W Glock 23 Gen 3.

    September 2015... the FBI are currently issuing the 9x19mm Glock 19 Gen 4 to new FBI Academy recruits.
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    • #3
      The War Wagon
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Apr 2011
      • 10294

      I'm SO old, I remember when they adopted the 10mm, to REPLACE the 9mm!

      And that's when I bought my S&W 1006!
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      • #4
        Quiet
        retired Goon
        • Mar 2007
        • 30241

        AFAIK...

        From a friend that was in the FBI, since the 1980s and retired in the 2010s...

        Standard issue for FBI agents...
        1980 = .357Magnum S&W Model 13 FBI (3")
        1991 = 10x25mm S&W Model 1076
        1993 = 9x19mm SIG P-226 or SIG P-228 (agent choice)
        1997 = .40S&W Glock 22 Gen 3 or 23 Gen 3 (agent choice)
        2010 = .40S&W Glock 23 Gen 3
        2015 = 9x19mm Glock 19 Gen 4

        Standard issue for FBI SWAT...
        1980 = 9x19mm S&W Model 459
        1988 = 9x19mm SIG P-226
        1998 = .45ACP Springfield Armory Bureau Model

        Standard issue for FBI HRT...
        1983 = 9x19mm Novak Custom Browning High Power
        1995 = .45ACP Les Baer Custom Para-Ordnance P-13.45 SRP
        1996 = 9x19mm Novak Custom Browning High Power (re-issue of the old ones from the 1980s due to relaibility issues with the P-13.45 SRP)
        1998 = .45ACP Springfield Armory Bureau Model

        Personally owned firearms...
        Firearms Training Unit must examine and approve/authorize it, in order to carry on or off duty.


        US Secret Service...
        1980 = 9x19mm SIG P-225
        1988 = 9x19mm SIG P-228
        1998 = .357SIG SIG P-229
        Last edited by Quiet; 11-01-2015, 4:00 AM.
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        • #5
          Sutcliffe
          Calguns Addict
          • Mar 2003
          • 6792

          i do agree that proper 9mm loads are serious business

          The whole way that government gets done makes me feel this is more about connected people raking in lots of tax dollars.

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          • #6
            soldier07110
            Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 373

            I think any unit, agency, or team not using 9mm is way behind the power curve...

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            • #7
              Go Navy
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2008
              • 2171

              Originally posted by Sutcliffe
              The whole way that government gets done makes me feel this is more about connected people raking in lots of tax dollars.
              Generally, the way the FBI went about this is vastly more efficient than the U.S. Army. My impression is that the FBI studied this seriously, and do serious comparison tests among pistol candidates....or already has. The Army has been flailing around for years trying to figure out whether, or how, to replace the aging M-16, and has spend money in the process.
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              • #8
                bounty1
                Banned
                • May 2014
                • 496

                Their like women always changing their accessories.

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                • #9
                  BoJackUSMC
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 7091

                  One of the main reason why they are switching to 9mm is because most female recruits cant handle the 40s&w during academy I believe.

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                  • #10
                    BoJackUSMC
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 7091

                    Cant find the link, but they wrote am article about it few months ago.

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                    • #11
                      wpage
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 6068

                      Its about money for the contractors...
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                      • #12
                        23 Blast
                        Veteran Member
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 3754

                        Originally posted by BoJackUSMC
                        One of the main reason why they are switching to 9mm is because most female recruits cant handle the 40s&w during academy I believe.
                        We may snicker about it, but, as the rifleman's creed states - only hits matter.

                        If I'm a bad guy facing down a female agent, I'd rather be missed by .40S&W than hit (probably multiple times) by 9x19.
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                        • #13
                          BoJackUSMC
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 7091

                          How about being missed with 10mm =^.^=

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                          • #14
                            Metal Magic
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 803

                            That's an expensive miss

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                            • #15
                              BoJackUSMC
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 7091

                              They wont care sir... free ammo to them..

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