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[Armytop]

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[LeadFarmer74]

I just watched a firearms blog that at one point the blogger was supposedly reading Q&S from a ATF letter. One question asked if you can legally build a AR15 pistol from a factory lower that had not yet been DROSed as a rifle. The answer was reported as "YES". As long as the lower has not been registered and therefore declaring as a rifle.

This is opposite from I have been told. Can I get some incite to this issue.

Maybe in other states that's possible but stripped lowers in Cali always come in as "rifle" or "long gun". The only way to do it currently is an 80% here.

[jeffyhog]

I think this may be true in states other than California, but it does not apply here because of the roster.

[Baboosh]

I just watched a firearms blog that at one point the blogger was supposedly reading Q&S from a ATF letter. One question asked if you can legally build a AR15 pistol from a factory lower that had not yet been DROSed as a rifle. The answer was reported as "YES". As long as the lower has not been registered and therefore declaring as a rifle.

This is opposite from I have been told. Can I get some incite to this issue.

100% legal to build a AR Pistol from a bare receiver in CA.

[Baboosh]

Maybe in other states that's possible but stripped lowers in Cali always come in as "rifle" or "long gun". The only way to do it currently is an 80% here.

Wrong and there is no law in CA that says once a rife always a rifle.

ATF says Pistol, Rifle, Pistol OK

No laws in CA says you cannot go Pistol, Rifle, Pistol. It has just never been challenged.

A lower does not need to be an 80% in CA to build an AR Pistol.

[LeadFarmer74]

Wrong and there is no law in CA that says once a rife always a rifle.

ATF says Pistol, Rifle, Pistol OK

No laws in CA says you cannot go Pistol, Rifle, Pistol. It has just never been challenged.

A lower does not need to be an 80% in CA to build an AR Pistol.

Could you please explain how currently you can buy a pistol lower without ppt or sse?

[munkeeboi]

100% legal to build a AR Pistol from a bare receiver in CA.

whoa, whoa, whoa. How is this even possible? Why do Pistol lowers even command such a high price? Please explain

Wrong and there is no law in CA that says once a rife always a rifle.

ATF says Pistol, Rifle, Pistol OK

No laws in CA says you cannot go Pistol, Rifle, Pistol. It has just never been challenged.

A lower does not need to be an 80% in CA to build an AR Pistol.

In CA, isn't PISTOL -- > RIFLE --> PISTOL = Illegal SBR?

This info doesn't seem right coming from a FFL. Can you go more in depth or explain what you mean so that we don't have thousands of people building Illegal Pistol's off the Anderson lower that they got at Turner's

[munkeeboi]

this is what I found from almost every other discussion of AR Lower's and conversion from pistol, rifle pistol

Under Federal laws/regulations...
Handgun -> Rifle = legal
Handgun -> Rifle -> Handgun = legal
Rifle -> Handgun = illegal SBR (weapon made from a Rifle)

Under CA laws/regulations...
Handgun -> Rifle = legal
Handgun -> Rifle -> Handgun = illegal SBR (weapon made from a Rifle)
Rifle - > Handgun = illegal SBR (weapon made from a Rifle)

[Click Boom]

100% legal to build a AR Pistol from a bare receiver in CA.

One can build one off a stripped lower drosed in CA without any special considerations?

[Baboosh]

Could you please explain how currently you can buy a pistol lower without ppt or sse?

SSE is still perfectly legal, the rules just changed.

We do AR Pistols weekly.

[Baboosh]

whoa, whoa, whoa. How is this even possible? Why do Pistol lowers even command such a high price? Please explain

Some people don't read the Commercial Section

In CA, isn't PISTOL -- > RIFLE --> PISTOL = Illegal SBR?

This info doesn't seem right coming from a FFL. Can you go more in depth or explain what you mean so that we don't have thousands of people building Illegal Pistol's off the Anderson lower that they got at Turner's

In CA and Federally you cannot go Rifle --> Pistol, that creates an SBR.

Federally it is perfectly legal to go Pistol --> Rifle --> Pistol

In CA there are no laws that say you cannot go Pistol --> Rifle --> Pistol but it has been such a gray area that all the great minds we trust says don't do it unless you want to be the test case.

[EvolvedRaven]

SSE is still perfectly legal, the rules just changed.

We do AR Pistols weekly.

sse for ar pistols are still legal? how come gun shops won't do it for me around sacramento? also does it have to be the whole complete gun or can it be just the complete lower?

[Baboosh]

sse for ar pistols are still legal? how come gun shops won't do it for me around sacramento? also does it have to be the whole complete gun or can it be just the complete lower?

1) FFL must be an 07
2) Most FFLs don't know the laws
3) Must DROS a gun that comply with SSE laws

[mnichols]

Some people don't read the Commercial Section




In CA and Federally you cannot go Rifle --> Pistol, that creates an SBR.

Federally it is perfectly legal to go Pistol --> Rifle --> Pistol

In CA there are no laws that say you cannot go Pistol --> Rifle --> Pistol but it has been such a gray area that all the great minds we trust says don't do it unless you want to be the test case.

This is an interesting distinction.
In your opinion, is it also legal for an individual to DROS a stripped lower and build it into a pistol? Rather than have it built by an ffl?

[Baboosh]

This is an interesting distinction.
In your opinion, is it also legal for an individual to DROS a stripped lower and build it into a pistol? Rather than have it built by an ffl?

Where did I say that?