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[Black Majik]

Round count is "under 200."

[creepyoldgamer]

While I agree with you that there is always more than just round count to consider in determining a firearms condition, it is a useful data point and insulting people who use it seems a little extreme, especially since that group includes literally everyone who has bought/sold a gun on this site. Like mileage on a car, there is of course more to consider, but it is an easily obtained useful data point that people would be foolish to not consider.

Just my two cents.

[erik_26]

While I agree with you that there is always more than just round count to consider in determining a firearms condition, it is a useful data point and insulting people who use it seems a little extreme, especially since that group includes literally everyone who has bought/sold a gun on this site. Like mileage on a car, there is of course more to consider, but it is an easily obtained useful data point that people would be foolish to not consider.

Just my two cents.

^Agree^

Another point, people that shoot thousands upon thousands of rounds tend to not sell off their guns.

Usually someone bought something on a whim and decided they didn't like it or they need cash. It is very common to find 100-500 round counts for sale. It doesn't mean they are bad guns or something was wrong with them.

[81turbota]

I don't pay attention to round count, yet a seller's claim is a starting point for my evaluation if they provide one. I evaluate on condition. I'm sure I have guns that have untold thousands of rounds through them (Finn captured SVT40's, WW1 Mausers etc) and spit lead as intended.

As the OP said, it's possible to find a "low round count" firearm that is abused as well as a "high round count" firearm that is in great shape.

Condition is key. Know what you're looking for and you will be happy.

[LeadFarmer74]

It gives the buyer a sense of how the condition. Lets say two 1911's are selling at the same price ~$1100 (not a 1911 guy so guess on price). One has 5,000 rounds and one has 500 rounds. Most people would go the lower round count right off the bat. It is atleast a starting point to inspect the weapon.

[BoJackUSMC]

Round count is "under 200."

Lol..more like 50 rounds.

[81turbota]

It gives the buyer a sense of how the condition. Lets say two 1911's are selling at the same price ~$1100 (not a 1911 guy so guess on price). One has 5,000 rounds and one has 500 rounds. Most people would go the lower round count right off the bat. It is atleast a starting point to inspect the weapon.

Exactly. It's a starting point for what to expect, but a true evaluation is what's needed.

I've seen newer firearms ruined by poor cleaning techniques such as hammering a stuck patch out with a steel cleaning rod which resulted in major bore damage. Sure, 100 rounds down the pipe but a keen eye is what you really need.

The M16A2's I trained with had tens of thousands of rounds through them, but were functionally solid and will maintain their intended accuracy.

Condition is key!! Learn and know what to look for.

[saudadeii]

It's no different from buying a used car. Mileage sets an expectation for condition. A high mileage car thats properly maintained may still be worth a premium. A low mileage one that's been abused may not even be worth considering. We all know the "driven by a little old lady to go to church" story. Would you ever buy used car without considering the mileage?

One who claims it's low "round count" that's not evident by the wear is either untrustworthy or failed to take care of his/her weapon. This is still important to me in determining IF I'm going to make an offer, and, if I do, how much.

['ol shooter]

A good rant, right on point. I have an LE 92FS that doesn't look quite as bad as the one pictured, but low round count, versus a looks and shoots like new XDS with 2K down the spout.

[Eljay]

It's just marketing. Feel free to ignore it.

[galaxius]

I have a spreadsheet of all my firearms, ammo and round counts for reach firearm. Its not that hard to keep track of everything if you spend 2 minutes to count how many rounds you're taking to the range....

[Garandimal]

Round count is "under 200."

That piece sure looks like she's been 'round the block a time or Three.




GR

[j1133s]

The number of rounds thru a gun is a useful number to a buyer, if the seller can remember it. And many shooters can give a fairly accurate estimate; for example, a gun used in competitions can get the round count by number of round per event and number of events participated per year. A range gun's count can be estimated by the rounds shot per range trip and the number of range trips per year.

As a buyer, I would like to know the round count for a used gun. If a seller can't reliably tell me then the gun was probably purchased used. Of course, the buyer should also check the gun's condition.

Personally, I don't buy used guns because there are some personal reasons. But I know many people do buy and I do sell my guns. But since the OP gave some tips on revolvers, I'll give some for semis (again, I don't buy used, these are just the things that pops into my head right now; pls feel free to add more).

1. If th seller cannot give you a rough round count or even describe how he/she uses the gun so that you can estimate its round count, then DO NOT buy.

2. If the round count is less than 200-300, consider the gun NEW. Look for new, not sharp extractor. Look for new, not dirty and pitted breech face. Look for NEW, smooth barrel (no bump where it bumps the slide). Look for NEW, not all shiny from frictiion the slide and breech; Look for NEW slide lock lever, not all worn out and this for all areas where handling is normal, e.g. decock, hammer, trigger, etc. All this can be done without field stripping the pistol.

Bascially, when a gun is < 300 rounds, you can considered it BETTER THAN NEW (because it's broken in).

3. Less than 5000 rounds, look for the wornoutness of the above.

3. If the round count is > 5000, ask the seller what maintenance he's done. If he can't tell you any, then DO NOT buy.


BTW, all the guns I sell used are good buys becaue I take extremely good care of them.

[FeuerFrei]

Round counts are ALWAYS unprovable.
It's always been condition and rarity that value a firearm.
That's an extensive checklist but no new firearms buyers are gonna use one unless they actually know what those items are and have seen before and after examples.
Good rant though. Entertaining