45 vs 9 again

[Cali-Shooter]

'Nuff said.

[CandG]

9mm leaves only tiny pinhole wounds, and .45 is so big and slow it just bounces off. 22lr for the win.

[Bake]

CarniK Con scientifically settled this argument:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=06aRQ-ejqmU

[CandG]

'Nuff said.

haha, I forgot all about that picture, love it

[uhlan1]

Real men use .45
9mm is for skirt wearing momma's boys.
While you're at it with your cross dressing pew pew toy, you'd might as well grab a mag loader so you don't scuff up you nails.
Now go back to your parent's basement and post some more nonsense.



There, how's that?

Because I hate loading during a match, I just finished loading 25 9mm CZ mags with a mag loader. That was after I mowed the lawns with a Honda self-propelled mower instead of gramps rotary push mower. and fastened some horse corral boards with a powered driver instead of a screw driver.

I'm such a wimp taking advantage of tools that make jobs easier.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to ask mommy if I can go to the match.
She should be ok with it as long as I'm only shooting 9mm, gee whiz, it's just like my cap pistols I play with.

[bsg]

How about just buying any good quality pistol, learning how to use it efficiently, and spare the world from all this pseudo-academic verbal diarrhea about calibers and "stopping power?"

^^^ wise advise.

[DArBad]

To each his own. Living in Commiefornia as I do where capacity is drastically limited, I prefer the .45acp. IF I live some where else, where there is no limitation in handgun ammo capacity, my handgun battery will have EQUAL number of 9 mm and .45 acp.

As to the debate of which is a " better man stopper " between the two cartridges...... I'll let you all debate on that and watch from the sidelines.

[Contrast]

Throw a handfull of .32 acp at an attacker. That's a whole lot more acp then you get with a full mag of .45 .

[Subotai]

Well, 1911's only need 7 rounds. Cause you're shooting a badazum pistola. Not like those 30 round 9mm Glocks who are trying to keep up. Maybe they should make 40 round mags!

[crufflers]

Well, 1911's only need 7 rounds. Cause you're shooting a badazum pistola. Not like those 30 round 9mm Glocks who are trying to keep up. Maybe they should make 40 round mags!

The Glock version would have 13 or 15 rounds of .45 ACP, though they do have the 25's too.

Those 1911 drop mags with ten rounds are trying to keep up with Glock 21's flush fit mags.

[Bad Caselaw]

Caliber: .357 SIG
Bullet Weight: 147 Grains
Bullet Style: HDY XTP Hollow Point
Case Type: Brass

Ballistics Information:
Muzzle Velocity: 1325 fps
Muzzle Energy: 573 ft. lbs.




Caselaw

[bountyhunter]

Aa someone who carried 40 S&W on duty for over 15 years, as well competed and qualified dozens of times, the 40 Cal offers nothing new or better in any category. It's the hardest round to shoot accurately and expensive. Now this doesn't mean it can't be shot accurately, it means if you shoot 40 well, you'd shoot 9m or 45 even better.

Actually, all it means is that YOU shoot the 9 or .45 better. Your post is the definition of an anecdotal data point trying to be asserted as universal fact. It's not universally true anymore than the myth that the .40 has the "worst" recoil. Many people HATE the snap recoil of the 9mm and some people don't enjoy the slow flip of the 45. Personally, the speed of the .40 recoil pulse matches my recovery and I like it. But I am not trying to assert any of those personal preferences as universal laws of nature.

The recoil feel is also highly gun dependent. If you are shooting 40 out of a grossly top heavy plastic framed gun, you may hate it. I shoot 40 out of full size steel guns.

the 40 Cal offers nothing new or better in any category.

That is the single most WRONG statement of the thread. The "new and better" that the .40 offers is a higher power cartridge that drops right into every major service weapon (SIG, BER, HP, HK, Glock, etc) which eliminates the 45 from consideration. That reason alone is why the 40 exploded onto the scene and got specd in at just about every police agency in the country.

[TripleThreat]

You are wrong and I am right. Next topic.

Triple

[someoneeasy]

Aa someone who carried 40 S&W on duty for over 15 years, as well competed and qualified dozens of times, the 40 Cal offers nothing new or better in any category. It's the hardest round to shoot accurately and expensive. Now this doesn't mean it can't be shot accurately, it means if you shoot 40 well, you'd shoot 9m or 45 even better.


Caliber: 40 S&W
Bullet Weight: 180 Grains
Bullet Style: Speer Bonded Full Metal Jacket
Case Type: Brass

Ballistics Information:
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 484 ft. lbs.

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Caliber: 9mm Luger
Bullet Weight: 124 Grains
Bullet Style: Nosler Jacketed Hollow Point
Case Type: Brass

Ballistics Information:
Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 465 ft. lbs.



Techical Data from Underwoodammo.com

Triple

how much more expensive? Everybody keeps talking about "how much more expensive it is" how much more? 2-4 cents?

[SansSouci]

Shot placement is extremely important: bad guy's shot placement. If a bad guy hits a good guy, the good guy is screwed.

People spend why too much time target practicing and way too little time practicing avoiding bad guy's rounds.