Range Rules: only load magazines in bay?

[Jimi Jah]

Morons at ranges gives me the incentive to drive out to BLM land.

[Revhendo]

Morons at ranges gives me the incentive to drive out to BLM land.

That's like a 2 hour drive for me. I'm old, I'll forget why I was driving that long...

[teg33]

That's like a 2 hour drive for me. I'm old, I'll forget why I was driving that long...

Lol so true

[Che762x39]

Morons at ranges gives me the incentive to drive out to BLM land.

The downside to that is we went out to the sticks and the guys who was shooting next to us had no targets so they were shooting at boulders, rocks, whatever and occasionally you heard the whistle of ricochets coming back our way.

[Che762x39]

That's like a 2 hour drive for me. I'm old, I'll forget why I was driving that long...

Roger that. I need to take a nap and then shoot.

[hambam105]

The public indoor ranges around in the South Bay are down right unsafe. And
my strident 2nd Amendment stance has nothing to do with someone renting a firearm to an ill trained person for entertainment purposes.

[advocatusdiaboli]

I have failed miserably at making my point.

The vast majority on here want to improve our guns rights in California. We feel that we shouldn't be burden with special permits to buy firearms. We shouldn't have to provide a 10-page dissertation on why we should have the right to carry our firearm concealed to the county Sheriff. We shouldn't be limited to a 'safe' handgun roster, purchasing limits, magazine capacity and fixed magazines on featured rifles.

Most those laws were passed in fear. Fear because many people share a similar mindset that is being displayed in this thread. "There are too many idiots out there and we cannot trust them."


How are we any better when we validate the very thing we have been fighting against? If we cannot trust each other at the range and have a predetermined disposition that everyone is an idiot, except yourself of course, then aren't many the laws we have are just?


I am not advocating against gun range safety. Or against any safety.


I think we need to change our approach and our mentally. Of course I acknowledge their are careless or uninformed folks out there.

Your thoughts are in the right place I think, but what you expressed was misleading. Distilling it down:you seem to be implying that safety rules are only needed if we don't trust people, using that ab absurdum argument that if we cannot trust people with firearms, let's just ban them all. That is why you were derided.

So let me phrase it differently: even people we trust can err and when people err with a loaded firearm it can be deadly to others. So whether or not the error is due to negligence or lack of training and education, the potential deadly consequence is what is important not the motive. The rules are an attempt to eliminate the risk of an error and potentially deadly and tragic consequences of it.
It isn't about trust, it is about safety and staying whole and alive.

[LBDamned]

how is that a pain in the ***? walk up to the line, open bag, remove gun?

vs

walk into the range, go to the benches, open bag, remove gun, walk to firing line?

take a look next time and see exactly how many people flag each other, when they remove their firearm (often slide forward with the mag in) and swing it around around everyone. very very very very few people who come into the range, walk in with their weapons action open.

The rear benches (at FT3) have much more room than the tiny, less stable bench at the line

When you have several pistols (I often bring a four gun case - with four guns in it), it makes a significant difference... leaving the line to retrieve case, bring case to the line (in cramped area), unlock case (yes, I lock my case when its sitting on the rear benches, I trust no one), add & remove weapons, take case back to rear bench & lock, return to line to proceed shooting... vs clear gun at line, walk back to rear bench with action open/muzzle up, unlock, add & remove with lots more space, walk back to line (with action open, muzzle up) load mag & shoot.

There are ranges that allow this method - but most (if not all) require loading at the line (which is a good idea imo)... the question is; what the danger in walking up to the line with an unloaded weapon, action/cylider open, muzzle up? *it's rhetorical - the answer is none (that's why some ranges allow it).

Anyway - my "opinion" wasn't meant to ignite a debate... I'm a fan of FT3 - it's the best range in the area, by far.

[Revhendo]

The public indoor ranges around in the South Bay are down right unsafe. And
my strident 2nd Amendment stance has nothing to do with someone renting a firearm to an ill trained person for entertainment purposes.

I have no idea what you're up against in the South Bay area. I can probably get a pretty good image of it, though.

I don't disagree with you at all, but I do mentally battle with my inner self about how we can make ranges friendly and accessible. The more people that can come to a range and have a safe, fun and positive experience, the more people that will understand the sport. More importantly, the experience should reinforce all of our 2A rights.

I hope that came out right.

[perpetual otter]

I have failed miserably at making my point.



I am not advocating against gun range safety. Or against any safety
.

Yes you did.

It sounded like you were against rules that actually make sense at public ranges.

[hambam105]

Revhendo,

We are on the same page. The more people involved in shooting the more likelihood they will keep the faith by safe participation and voting appropriately. A great start, but that just scratches the surface.

The 1st big issue is one gunner 2A person thinking it's okay for him to own a gun, but that other guy over there...maybe....maybe guys like him shouldn't own yada yada yada. I know, I lived it.

The 2nd issue is having what...20% of gun owners active members in the NRA or some other rendition of there local State Gun Rights advocate.

I encourage your work and your optimism with new shooters. Hell, you're probably doing more good work then I am. But I'll be dammed if I willingly waddle into a shooting facility where employees and customers whom while sharing arms, also share like mental ambiguity in a No Smoking sign.

[cmichini]

This assumption is part of the reason we face ever increasing gun laws.

If you can't trust them at the range then you can't trust them in public and you can't trust them at home.

Take all the guns away.

Unfortunately the world us rife with retardation.
It's a range's way to protect you and I from becoming more fodder for the anti to use in the media.

"You can trust them at the range, but I don't trust them at MY range" is probably their point of view. Considering the crazy stuff I see at the range (even today pulling RSO duty) I don't blame any range one bit.

[Steve_In_29]

When they make the rules, they have to consider everyone that will shoot there. They have to factor in the lowest common denominator.

Which is exactly what the Antis are doing with society as a whole when they push for evermore gun restrictions.

[19K]

The rear benches (at FT3) have much more room than the tiny, less stable bench at the line

When you have several pistols (I often bring a four gun case - with four guns in it), it makes a significant difference... leaving the line to retrieve case, bring case to the line (in cramped area), unlock case (yes, I lock my case when its sitting on the rear benches, I trust no one), add & remove weapons, take case back to rear bench & lock, return to line to proceed shooting... vs clear gun at line, walk back to rear bench with action open/muzzle up, unlock, add & remove with lots more space, walk back to line (with action open, muzzle up) load mag & shoot.

There are ranges that allow this method - but most (if not all) require loading at the line (which is a good idea imo)... the question is; what the danger in walking up to the line with an unloaded weapon, action/cylider open, muzzle up? *it's rhetorical - the answer is none (that's why some ranges allow it).

Anyway - my "opinion" wasn't meant to ignite a debate... I'm a fan of FT3 - it's the best range in the area, by far.

I think the problem with that is that the majority of people will NOT have their slide or action back and lots of the time a magazine is in the weapon. You could always take out your multiple pistols and set them on the bench.

[LBDamned]

I think the problem with that is that the majority of people will NOT have their slide or action back and lots of the time a magazine is in the weapon. You could always take out your multiple pistols and set them on the bench.

You're probably right about the first part (but like I said, some ranges allow it)... But the second part is not an option at the range being discussed - bench at bay is too small (as are most other ranges' benches), also need room for ammo & mags.