colt vs Springfield 1911

[InGrAM]

If Colt didn't have it's name recognition no one would want nor pay the inflated prices being asked for them. When you can get a DW pointman or Heritage model for the same price as a new Goldcup... Something is wrong.

SA all the way.

[m14brian]

Springfield Armory. The Loaded is a sweet 1911 for the money, I'd save a bit more and get the TRP though.
m14brian

[PseudoTsuga]

Go for a barebones Colt O1991. Made in the U.S. and doesn't have that stupid Integral Locking System.

Lol. Who doesn't change the msh out for a checkered unit with a magwell anyway? I'll bet most serious shooters do it on Colts too, so it's a non-issue. Fwiw, the ILS Springfield uses mostly equates to a heavy trigger. Once you put in a 19-23 lb (depending on preference) ms, the trigger is what it should be.
All I've had to do to my Springfield loaded is cut two coils off the mag-catch spring, and tune the mag catch with a stone.
I love the Tritium sights it came with too!

[lc*y]

If Colt didn't have it's name recognition no one would want nor pay the inflated prices being asked for them.

agreed, that what I did for my one and only colt, a 100-year edition. the series 80 tigger is not what you would expected from a 1911. even kimber is alot better.

[himurax13]

First of all, removing a safety device other than the magazine disconnect, is never a good idea. It is not allowed in most competitions either.

You can feel the difference with an 80 series trigger, even if the safety was polished and smoothed out.

[AdiosKali]

Having had both... Springfield.

[_TomT_]

I own Colts, but if I had a chance I would own a TRP in a heartbeat. I read a Ar15 posting about a Navy Seal that broke his 1911 when it was struck by a shrapnel while deployed in IRAQ. They managed to fix it for him for free. He can't praise the TRP and Springfield enough.

[violentmouse]

Ok I'm going to zip all this nonsense up for you.

Series 80 = P.O.S

End of story. Can you remove the firing pin block? Yes. Should you? HELL NO.

District attorneys love to rip people apart for having removed factory equipped safety devices from handguns. ESPECIALLY if you end up having to use the damned thing for self defense. It's just a bad idea.

This is why Colt still sells a series 70. Would I want one ? NOPE.
The series 70 that Colt sells right now will never be on par with a mid 90's Colt Gold Cup. You'd have to replace everything on the frame save for the frame itself to get anything close to the quality they used to have.

If you are hell bent on getting a Colt, buy a used series 70 Gold Cup.

Otherwise if you want the best bang for your buck just get the Springfield loaded. If you want to make a SA Loaded even better, all you have to do is get a fully adjustable trigger so you can remove the takeup, and have a reputable smith do a decent trigger, and function job.

For anyone who is about to say that the Loaded comes with an adjustable trigger. The allen screw is for over travel only and is not fully adjustable. Those things are also heavy as hell, and have been seen to have some amount of trigger bounce. Just enough to cause hammer follow on a really narrow margin trigger job.

I keep all my 1911's right around 3.5 lbs, but I also do all my own work because I haven't ever found a smith that I trusted.

And last but not least, NO. I repeat NO. IT DOES NOT MATTER how good of a trigger job someone does on a series 80. You will never.... EVER...have as clean or as light of a break on the trigger and you can get out of a series 70. It's physics and cannot be argued, there are simply to many forces involved, and this is why Kimber moved all of those parts into the grip safety.

Done.

[Vin63]

I think you would have a change of heart if you got to shoot some of my S80 Colts, and there are many S80 1911 owners who would disagree with you. My S80 Colts are on par and a few better than my S70 Colts, including my 1976 production GC NM S70 that I've owned since new and my uncle's NM that I competed with in bullseye. While I generally agree that the fire control mechanism of the S80 is unnecessary and a product of the insurance/lawyers, they can be made really nice with very little work.

[jonzer77]

Ok I'm going to zip all this nonsense up for you.

Series 80 = P.O.S

End of story. Can you remove the firing pin block? Yes. Should you? HELL NO.

District attorneys love to rip people apart for having removed factory equipped safety devices from handguns. ESPECIALLY if you end up having to use the damned thing for self defense. It's just a bad idea.

This is why Colt still sells a series 70. Would I want one ? NOPE.
The series 70 that Colt sells right now will never be on par with a mid 90's Colt Gold Cup. You'd have to replace everything on the frame save for the frame itself to get anything close to the quality they used to have.

If you are hell bent on getting a Colt, buy a used series 70 Gold Cup.

Otherwise if you want the best bang for your buck just get the Springfield loaded. If you want to make a SA Loaded even better, all you have to do is get a fully adjustable trigger so you can remove the takeup, and have a reputable smith do a decent trigger, and function job.

For anyone who is about to say that the Loaded comes with an adjustable trigger. The allen screw is for over travel only and is not fully adjustable. Those things are also heavy as hell, and have been seen to have some amount of trigger bounce. Just enough to cause hammer follow on a really narrow margin trigger job.

I keep all my 1911's right around 3.5 lbs, but I also do all my own work because I haven't ever found a smith that I trusted.

And last but not least, NO. I repeat NO. IT DOES NOT MATTER how good of a trigger job someone does on a series 80. You will never.... EVER...have as clean or as light of a break on the trigger and you can get out of a series 70. It's physics and cannot be argued, there are simply to many forces involved, and this is why Kimber moved all of those parts into the grip safety.

Done.

Can you state some court cases where this happened?

[GM4spd]

And last but not least, NO. I repeat NO. IT DOES NOT MATTER how good of a trigger job someone does on a series 80. You will never.... EVER...have as clean or as light of a break on the trigger and you can get out of a series 70.

Done.

You don't know what you are talking about,done. Pete

[krisjon]

All Springfield's do not have glued ejectors. My TRP came pinned and my new EMP even came pinned. My Range Officer Compact is also pinned. You might have older models that were glued or you might even need to take a closer look, the pin is not easy to see as it is very small. So, let's leave it at some SA's may have glued ejectors

A lot of the newer SA's have glued ejectors for whatever reason. Most used to be pinned and it seems to vary by model. I talked to my local SA rep about my newer TRP's glued ejector and he said if it comes out, SA will not only replace it, but also pin the new one. If you send your gun in to SACS for any work, they'll also pin it for no charge.