So I got pulled over and ticketed this weekend...

[pterrell]

Yikes. Talk about winning hearts and minds...

[EROCO]

Yes, my advice is don't get pulled over. I for the most part cruise along on the slow lanes and have a spotless driving record until yesterday. It was bad luck on my part and had to accelerate to avoid a potentially unsafe freeway merge.

The experience was humiliating but I will keep carrying legally no matter what..

I don't think the line was crossed by the officer but it sure didn't feel good to be treated and talked to that way. LEO folks out there, pls treat us with respect that is all we ask.

[<blocked>]

Does your LTC require you to announce you're carrying? Otherwise STFU and take the ticket.

[EROCO]

Any interaction with an LEO, the ltc holder must declare that they are ltc with a ccw. At least in OC that is.

[MudCamper]

Complain to his superiors. Put it all in writing. If we don't stand up for ourselves, these LEO will never learn.

He was totally out of line. A criminal wouldn't have told him that he was armed. You did. The officer is lacking not only common coutesy, but common sense.

[chris]

CHP

figures.

[email]

Don't speed. It's against the law.

sent from earth

[EROCO]

MudCamper, which part do you think was out of line or where did he cross the line?

I'm curious because another reply from another LE above seem to think that he was within his boundaries to search and detain me in the squad car for speeding.

[chris]

I will answer your question from the point of view of a LEO who has conducted more traffic stops than I can remember.

IN LA County, LTC permits are uncommon. Really uncommon. As a "pro-gun" guy I wholly endorse them for any and all law abiding citizens. If I am to assume the incident happened just as you say, I personally would have handled it differently, although CHP was well within legal standing to temporarily detain you while checking the LTC. I don't work for CHP so I don't know all about their tactics and such.

I personally would thank you for showing me the LTC and I would run it along with the CDL, reg, etc. It would have no bearing whatsoever on whether you were to be cited, nor would I put you in my back seat. However, as I said, it is the officer's prerogative on the scene to make that call.

I don't have a God complex, nor do I feel threatened by LTC'ers. And by the way, if you have a pre-existing injury you should mention it as you are about to be searched so as not to exacerbate it or cause discomfort.

Just my .02

are you letting your fellow officers know that LTC permits are being issued in different counties?

if so are they responding positively or negatively to it?

also are they aware of the Peruta case that changed the requirements in the state?

I'm not trolling you at all just asking. it appears that LE in this state needs a training class about LTC permits being on the rise and that the people who have them have gone under a pretty thorough background check.

[SonofWWIIDI]

Don't speed=don't get pulled over. Should have slowed down and merged behind the slow paced a-holes, then passed when the opportunity presented itself.

Most people don't know how to merge/allow others to merge. It's all me, me, me.

Not pointing that at you OP, just a personal observation from my local traffic. Honestly, it seems to me that people don't even realize that there are other cars in the road, and they can't/don't want to look past their hoods. Don't get me started on the electronically addicted jerks that can't put the phone down.

[Victor Cachat]

As I understand it, speeding tickets are not for exceeding the posted limit, but for traveling at a speed unsafe for conditions.
(Even though the government wants us to believe otherwise.)

Therefore, exceeding the posted limit when you are committed to a merge is not unsafe.
However, the same driving instructor that told me that the only place the police want you to floor it is on an on-ramp, told me it is easier to brake than accelerate when merging.

[EROCO]

Driving errors on my part aside I still believe that being frisked/searched and detained is necessary just because I had a ccw that I declared from the start along with my permit.

This post is not about my imperfect driving choices though I have a stellar driving record in the past.

[Manolito]

Thr problem with a encounter is it relies on several things. Did the LT chew at briefing? Did the officer just come off a grizzly wreck? Does he have a hangover? I could go on and on for hours about where that officer was at at that particular time.

Now you have a gun and he doesn't want you to have a gun so lets see what I can do within my normal operating procedure to make you as uncomfortable as I am with you having a gun. The back seat of a police car is never going to be comfortable. The animal rights people will have you in jail for leaving your dog in a car in the heat of summer but an officer can leave your wife there for how ever long he wants. This is what I would base a question to the LT of that area.

This type of thing is going to happen for the next ten or so years until everybody gets comfortable with the new carry laws and permits become more popular. Enforcement should remember we are trying to help by informing not trying to hide. Don't force us into the game of catch me if you can.

My Brother was an officer, Detective, SWAT etc. for 31 years and never came upon a person with a CCW permit. He worked in the middle of California. So I think it will take a while grin and bear it and move on.

PS Keep some cold water in car when traveling around in the heat of summer.

I should note the same parameters are in effect with you and your attitude and where you are at when stopped. I wasn't saying just the officer we all have outside influences that effect how we perceive and react. Again the only concern I see and worth bringing up is your wife in the car with the heat and no air or water.

[FortCourageArmory]

I'll have to CAREFULLY read all sides of my Ventura Co. Permit (when I finally get it) to see if it has a "must identify" provision on it. If not, I'm with the post that says STFU and take the ticket.

[makinthemagic]

Why do some of the LE people seem to have such a god complex that they seem to feel threatened by someone like me.

IMHO, it's because most male LEO's have a G26 in their pants and wish it was a G34.