What is the HARDEST course of fire for CCW qualification?

[Snoopy47]

Why do we want to limit CCW licenses? 29 states do not have any qualifications at all.

I'll go on the record saying I am never more fearful around guns than I was at a police academy range, and my military qualification range.

Yes...... in some states one can walk into a gun store (having never fired a gun in their entire lives), buy the gun and ammo right there, do a background instantaneously, and shove it down their pants and walk out the door.

Now, I would LOVE to be able to do that, but I'd really rather not be in the presence of anyone that did.

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Now, funny thing. I have a friend who's a Texas LEO. He could essentially do what I just mentioned as a TX resident, however, being a LEO he has to qualify with his chosen pistol for CCW as a condition of his employment. His CCW restrictions are more or less the same as ours now (with the exception being he still has unlimited choices, but he'd have to run a qual course and get it signed off to actually carry).

[Dvrjon]

Sac Sheriff used to use the BSIS Armed Guard qualification which was recently updated. The revolver section of the new CoF was used for both revolvers and semi-autos:


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In March 2025, the Sac Sheriff CoF was changed:

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[Ishooter]

Alameda County requires 10 rounds at 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 yards from an OWB holster at varying times that increase with distance. The time includes mag changes at each distance were you fire 5 rounds, change mag and fire your last five under time. 50 rounds total per gun to qualify.

At 25 yards you have 10 rounds and a mag change in 20 seconds,

At all distance, all rounds outside the silhouette 7 ring are misses. At 25 yards, this would be challenging for some shooters in the CCW class where their target at 10 yards looked like a shotgun blast.

That sounds like they purposely eliminate the CCW applicants. Their deputies may not be that good. In 2022, 47 of their deputies were stripped off their badges for unqualified hiring after some scandals.

[Snoopy47]

That sounds like they purposely eliminate the CCW applicants. Their deputies may not be that good. In 2022, 47 of their deputies were stripped off their badges for unqualified hiring after some scandals.

I've always said, the best way to actually reduce CCW holders is to raise the marksmanship standard. I do think that limit of course COULD NOT exceed what their officers are held to.

Soooooooooo............... anyone familiar with USPSA qualification tiers? It goes, D (nearly all gun owners), C, B, A, Master, Grand Master (John Wick).

D = showed up to a match, shoot the complete course of fire and all stages safely and didn't get disqualified.

Anything C and above is tiered based on awesomeness with speed and accuracy. That said, a C would easily pass any CCW standard which one can get to by simply not fumbling with the course of fire, not miss any shots (just HIT the target, not talking X ring here), and have a deliberate flow of motion without dilly dallying around.

[Rickybillegas]

I'll go on the record saying I am never more fearful around guns than I was at a police academy range, and my military qualification range.

Yes...... in some states one can walk into a gun store (having never fired a gun in their entire lives), buy the gun and ammo right there, do a background instantaneously, and shove it down their pants and walk out the door.

Now, I would LOVE to be able to do that, but I'd really rather not be in the presence of anyone that did.

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Now, funny thing. I have a friend who's a Texas LEO. He could essentially do what I just mentioned as a TX resident, however, being a LEO he has to qualify with his chosen pistol for CCW as a condition of his employment. His CCW restrictions are more or less the same as ours now (with the exception being he still has unlimited choices, but he'd have to run a qual course and get it signed off to actually carry).

Well, then I guess you won't visit those 29 states because if you do, they will likely be all around you without you even knowing.

[Snoopy47]

Well, then I guess you won't visit those 29 states because if you do, they will likely be all around you without you even knowing.

It's the ones we do know about that are the problem.

[splithoof]

I'll go on the record saying I am never more fearful around guns than I was at a police academy range, and my military qualification range.


Now, I would LOVE to be able to do that, but I'd really rather not be in the presence of anyone that did.

I’m the same way. Other folks I don’t know (and some I do) have taught me that proper and competent gun handling is a skill that needs to be taught continuously. It has also led me to better understand why many public firing ranges operate the way they do. Those I avoid like the plague.